Pascal mumbled:
"There is definitely some special aesthetic about a woman's body. About a man's body too, but it's different, more powerful, less delicate... a different style, another kind of attractiveness.
And I'd have a hard time telling whether I prefer the former because or regardless of my being a hetero guy."
Once in a bus I saw an adrogynous person, and wondered about the gender. And then a very pretty woman walked on the bus, and I found myself thinking: if the person looks much at her, the person is a woman. And the person looked muchly. And then I got a look at her hands and I got confirmed that she was indeed female.
IOW, women admire pretty women at least as much as men. And they can do it more openly because they are not perceived as being as threatening as men often are.
It's my belief that the design of the woman does have some universal aesthetic which has nothing to do with sex. Like a beautiful tree or sunset, or animal, or car.
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Hannah replied...
I usually like looking at women. However, I do occasionally wonder where the line is between just appreciating the sight and wondering if I might just like women. Weird...
Eolake continued...
I think there is a natural attraction between all people, regardless of age and gender. And the body, being what it is, will try to interpret that in a sexual way. I think the best way is to take that in a relaxed way and not worry too much about it.
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I usually like looking at women. However, I do occasionally wonder where the line is between just appreciating the sight and wondering if I might just like women. Weird...
I think there is a natural attraction between all people, regardless of age and gender. And the body, being what it is, will try to interpret that in a sexual way. I think the best way is to take that in a relaxed way and not worry too much about it.
I like beautiful women. I've had chuckles from saying things like "Scarlet Johanssen turns me on". She (and others) turns me on. But that doesn't mean I want or phantasize about having sex with them, it's not about sex. Then again, I haven't had sex with other women but I can't say I will never have. The idea doesn't sound hideous to me. And I have no problem with these thoughts or expressing them. Like you said, I worry not at all. :-)
Well, if you and Scarlet ever get together, send us some pictures, OK?
Mary, I'm with you.
I had this conversation with my boyfriend the other day. I asked him if he ever thought about kissing a guy and he nearly fell over dead. He asked me if I would ever kiss and hug a naked woman, and I said, " Ooooh, that's an idea." Why not? It would feel really nice. I'm not going to go out of my way, and sex with a woman, no, it's just not a desire of mine, but who in his or her right mind doesn't love the feeling of breasts? Women have the softest plushiest bodies, it just feels so good. We're programmed from babyhood to love this goodness :)
I just love being a woman, and I love all women. but we women have to wake up and begin to love ourselves.
There is a woman in the gym with a supershort haircut, a strong shapely body, and she wears a baseball cap backwards on her head. Everyone stares at her incredible body, they can't help it. I talked to her the other day and she thinks her body is ugly. She thinks her thighs are *huge* and *ass* too big. Really if you saw her you'd be stunned by such a saying. She is angry at men, saying they want only slim, tall women, but the men at the gym think she's gorgeous. I keep trying to tell her but she's not taking compliments. She has to hear it from within.
"we women have to wake up and begin to love ourselves."
That's no joke. It may just be more hidden in men, I dunno, but I very often notice it in women: a real low self-image, a pity.
I was riding around with two friends in my convertible tonight and I told Diane (my front passanger) that I thought she was extremely pretty. She said, "you're just saying that." But actually I wasn't. I mean't it.
The girl in back, Amy who is 27 blonde thin, long hair was gorgeous too, but never thought of herself as gorgeous.
They were my brother's friends and I gave them a lift to their house. I got lucky and diane liked me and gave me her number. Please pray for me that we do hook up and go out together. Even if it doesn't mean intimacy, I just need a woman's companionship. She smells of lilac and sultry perfume...........pascal, are you there? Cross your fingers for me. Please. You too Eolake.
Once in a bus I saw an adrogynous person, and wondered about the gender.
pascal, normally you can always tell by the throat. (the adam's apple) at times i've had to resort to that measure :)
Yes, good tip.
(It was me who said it, not Pascal.)
Good luck with the woman there.
eolake said...
Yes, good tip.
(It was me who said it, not Pascal.)
Good luck with the woman there
Thanks Eolake. Sorry about my mix up on your response. I struck out. Seems like the women prefer bad guys and not nice guys. Oh well.
Maybe i should take a course in being an asshole with women?
I was told last night that nice guys are pussies and not worth the effort. Learn something new everyday.
It's clear that many woman are attracted to assholes. But we gotta aks ourselves, are those women worth being wif anyway?
"Take sexuality-related matters in a relaxed way"? HERETIC!
Magnetic Mary said...
"I haven't had sex with other women but I can't say I will never have. The idea doesn't sound hideous to me."
The idea of doing it with a man doesn't feel hideous to me either. It just feels that it is totally "not me" and I have no inclination to it, that's all.
Which is why I know and say I'm hetero even though I never TRIED homo. (To answer the perfidious insinuations of an ex-GF!)
So I'm viscerally hetero, but don't mind others being and living differently. To each their own. :-)
Amusingly, and paradoxally, the hetero that I am finds the sight of two women being intimate together very stimulating. Even though they might be completely uninterested in my company!
Ah well, that's us men.
Laurie said...
"I asked him if he ever thought about kissing a guy and he nearly fell over dead."
LOL! Guess as much as he is open-minded, some things he had never considered yet, eh? Clearly, he's not a traditional Russian. :-D
In the spirit of affectionate kissing, as in, a relative and on the cheek, I have zero problem with it. But my own mixed culture is quite specific, perhaps.
But a romantic kiss to another man? EEUW! Forgive me, I'm not into this. I already asked myself the question, and didn't faint over it. It's like eating escargots (snails à la French): I don't mind those who are into it, provided I don't have to join them.
Okay, the next funny person who would believe I'm a "missie", here's your cue to say it. :-)
"but who in his or her right mind doesn't love the feeling of breasts?"
Yo! Now you're talking, sista! Word life.
I'll go even further: in the context of family displays of affection, I know quite well how it feels to hug against breasts. And it feels very nice, soft and sweet, even without any sexual context, for instance with an aunt. Hey, we were all babies once. It's not all about doing "the nasty". I'm not ashamed of having fond memories of pure-hearted motherly affection in all its components, including the physical ones.
It's just that sex naturally likes anything pleasant to the senses. Some of it may be ambiguous, and have very different meanings in different circumstances. Like nudity, for instance. I'm cool with that.
Some people will bring food into sex games. Or work-related roleplaying. There's no Berlin wall between daily life and sex.
We're not humping machines. A truly free human being reacts more than to the press of a symbolic button on a remote-control. We feel what we want to feel, when we want to, if we only choose to.
"I keep trying to tell her but she's not taking compliments. She has to hear it from within."
Or maybe it would help if one of those hunky muscular gym guys dared to go forward and talk to her...
Feel like playing backstage matchmakers? ;-)
"we women have to wake up and begin to love ourselves."
There IS one exception I make about liking men or finding then sexy, and that is myself. Maybe it suggests I'm a teeny weeny bit gay, so what, who cares? It's good for my balance.
Real good, in fact. You should see be walking a narrow beam in a speedo. ;-)
Sorry for the delay, Terry, power problems again. Classic in hot weather here.
Eolake makes a very good point: I wouldn't want to be with a woman who likes jerks. What would that say about ME???
I don't know, it seems I may have the same problem as you (dating problem, that is), being the dreaded "nice guy" type. But maybe insecure women just seek a man that feels "strong" to them, and believe that strong implies mean/asshole?
In any case, I'd be real careful about dating a woman with such messed-up conceptions and expectations. It may work at first, but it's guaranteed to come crashing down fast and hard.
Keep searching, there's got to be better. YOU're not the picky one here.
It would be easy for me to take sexually related manners in a relaxed sort of way, if I were getting enough sex so I'd be relaxed. But I'm not. So I'm kind of stressed about it. I'm stressed that I'm not getting enough sex, and that means I'm stressed about sex, OK? OK then, OK? So just shut up about it, OK?
lol, final identity, I hear you.
I'm not there now, though at one point I was - and that was when I was married!
Note: many women reach their sexual peak in their 40's. I.e. they finally start to LOVE sex.
After all the babies and nurturing, other dormant parts begin to wake up. The 20-somethings are perceptually lovely, hot, or whatever, but are not always the most free or un-hung-up, or fun.
I speak generally of course.
Laurie said...
"many women reach their sexual peak in their 40's."
Some things take time with you women. You need to think about it, to reflect, to understand it, to "get a feeling". Suit yourselves.
Life's much less complicated for a Neanderthal. You're in the mood, you find a mate, bada-bing, bada-boom, end of that subject, now me go to sleep. ZZZZZZ...
Onga-monga, life good.
;-)
lol, that's a funny post Pascal, considering what I wrote to you in another one just a moment ago . . . :) You are indeed a well-rounded man. (do I hear a joke coming?)
off the topic, I had a reverse Domai moment yesterday. I was sitting by the lake, a secluded part of the lake, gorgeous day, my hair flowing in the wind, skimpy top and jeans, and in the water around the shore came a nude man swimming! I loved to watch him, his shoulders, his bare butt.... ooh, all of him, just lovely. He saw me and called out hello, and DANG if I didn't lose my chance to jump in naked after him. I told my boyfriend after that this would have been a fantasy of mine, nothing to do with sex, just swimming nude with a stranger of the opposite sex in a stunning natural lake, under the sun . . . . He said, that would be his fantasy too.
Next time I'll do it, just so I can write Eolake about it. Well, okay, just a tad for the pleasure.
lol, I THINK my boyfriend meant with the opposite sex . . . .
Laurie said...
"You are indeed a well-rounded man. (do I hear a joke coming?)"
Yes, belly of me is well round. Me are being good hunter. Woman eat well with Pascal, oogah!
Laurie also go in water? So Laurie clean. This good! Clean woman smell nice. (Hee-hee, me very subtle with women.)
Its not true that a person who looks at a female continuously is strictly a woman, no. This is because, there are men who would love to look at the female with no guilts and fear.
We must therefore, get together and form a movement and change some of these moral and religious values which supresses us from admiring others. I guess being a Satanist is a good idea.
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