Few things perplex me more than the insane reactions much of humanity has to anything sexual.
"According to the arrest report cited by Roll Call, Craig tapped his right foot, which the officer said he recognized 'as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct.'"
Wow. So it's basically illegal in Minnesota to move your foot in certain ways?
Even if we had established that the senator was actually looking for unattached sex, so what? Sure, it may become a problem for his wife if he brings home an STD, but I have a feeling that people's problems with "lewd behavior" is not related to disease. If it were, condoms would handle it, but promoting condoms is all but illegal by itself. No, if two adults engage in consensual sex, where is the victim? Is it because it's homosexual sex? I'm confused.
It is just fantastic to me that such a big percentage of a population can be so uncomfortable with other people's sex lives that they have to make parts of it illegal. And even more fantastic that this is seen as normal by most people. Apparently.
Justin commented:
Well, that's only half the story.
Ordinarily a man soliciting gay sex in a men's room would just be a sad example of how hard it is for many Americans to express homosexuality openly. However, in Senator Craig's case, the hypocrisy of his actions screams out for some outrage. Here is a man who has crusaded against gay people. He has damned them as degenerates. He has used his power as a Senator to enforce legalized discrimination against gays. While all along, he's been secretly having gay sex.
All right, if you say so, I don't know the man. But even so, all this has no bearing on the fact that I don't see how anything he did here is or should be illegal.
Of course, it's a funny world. I wonder how many of these people are also just self-hating homosexuals.
Update:
TTL said:
I had never heard of Westboro Baptist Church before but now I'm a fan. This just might be the only Christian church impossible to ridicule. Their ridic factor is already maxed out, making them kinda cool. :-)
But what do I know, I'm a fag-enabler coming from an abominable sodomite whorehouse masquerading as a nation.
Me too. (It's only a matter of time before Denmark is on their list too.)
This "church" is just so extreme that not only do they hurt their own cause, but if you had made them up in a story, nobody would have believed you! You gotta love them.
They say on their site:
"In 1991, WBC took her ministry to the streets, conducting over 34,000 peaceful demonstrations (to date) opposing the fag lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth."
That's six demonstrations per day, seven days a week! Well done for about a hundred people!
37 comments:
Well, that's only half the story.
Ordinarily a man soliciting gay sex in a men's room would just be a sad example of how hard it is for many Americans to express homosexuality openly. However, in Senator Craig's case, the hypocrisy of his actions screams out for some outrage. Here is a man who has crusaded against gay people. He has damned them as degenerates. He has used his power as a Senator to enforce legalized discrimination against gays. While all along, he's been secretly having gay sex.
What a bastard.
The only reported problem I can see with the Sentors behaviour, as outlined in the article, is that he made a solicitation.
Quite often when one approaches another for a liason, if there is not a level of mutual understanding, then the invitee can be made to feel uncomfortable. By level of understanding, I do not mean willingness or compliance. The level of understanding has to be, from the inviter, that rejection is a valid point, not to be pressed, and the invitee has to understand that they may indeed be an inspiration to others, and they are free to reject.
If the solicitation is not threatening, even if it is unwelcome, then it should not be a problem.
Picture a drooling 70 year old man, grabbing hold of, and asking a 15 year old girl for lord knows what, that would be threatening.
If 30 year old man talking to an 18 year old boy, points out a third party and simple states, in a wistful fashion, "I think he's cottaging", that is a non-threatening entree, even to a pretty green 18 year boy.
The code of cottaging remains an enigma to me. Often "bold" moves are required, what if you solicit a gay basher? If you are not expecting an invitation - a foot straying into your stall - you will feel violated, intruded upon, but it is a "soft" intrusion, not like someone looking over the stall.
I ramble. Yes people need to loosen up and accept, but you also should be allowed to crap in piece. If rampant homophobia was not the problem it is, and there were no legal taboos on gender preference, the people could just hook up, and not have to trawl.
Now if the need to fulfill that desire was taken care of in the stall, there is some danger of "corrupting a minor", sure it's behind closed doors, but it is hardly private. The consummation would be lewd behavior, but the only thing demonstrated was the solicitation for sex, not the intended location.
Even this point is only based on contemporary moral standards. A different time and place and we could have people acting like bonobo monkeys!
According to Westboro Baptist Church, "God Hates Fags! & Fag-Enablers!"
God also "hates Finland, the abominable sodomite whorehouse masquerading as a nation".
I learned the above from a flier (20071108_nine-dead-finns.pdf) released on the Westboro Baptist Church web site yesterday.
So, what was it you wanted to talk about, Eo?
You "wonder how many of these people are also just self-hating homosexuals"?
Well, d'uh! Most probably none, obviously. You're so silly.
I bet it is YOU who are simply fixating on angry people being self-haters, and projecting their inner guilt outwards to cover for their responsibility in it. Methinks you read the wrong kind of books. The kind which DOESN'T tell you it's your God-abiding duty to lapidate abominable homosexuals into a bloody pulp of cleansed impurity and spilled viscera.
The Westboro Baptist Church are absolutely right: God hating the world and having sinners unforgivingly dying by countryloads is what Christiannism, the Religion of Love, is all about.
Come to think of it, this isn't very different from the holy preachings of throat-slitting Brother Osama BinLaden, bless his cootie-filled beard. Whatever hallowed roachy cavern he's in today.
I have to agree both with Eo and Justin here:
- Prosecuting people for being gay is just plain wrong. Even if in this case there had been complaints leading to that cop being there.
- Serves him right, that Senator Craig, falling victim to his own endorsed and actively supported System of Injustice!
I practically never use the expression "serves you right", but chutzpahdik hypocrites are the exception confirming the rule.
Another person's misery or suffering won't rejoice me. Never. But a two-faced bigot getting embarrassed and shamed by his own moronic laws, "falling in the hole he dug for his brother and landing red-faced on his arse"? I say "Bravo". Encore!
"People [...] also should be allowed to crap in piece."
Howling with laughter! :-D
So very true. Some moments of a man's peace are sacred, yo.
"In piece"... was that an intended typo? :o)
"A different time and place and we could have people acting like bonobo monkeys!"
In my next life, I want to be reincarnated as a bonobo chimp!
Or as a pig: I've read that their orgasms last 30 minutes, can you effing believe it? (I wanna be "effing like that", and I mean literally.)
Dam that context insensitive smell checker. It makes sour my worms are write, even if they our in the wrong plaice.
Um... yeah, I read you.
(Not sure I understood you though. ;-)
Ooh, this is just too good to pass! Found these in the Wikiquote page of the Westboro Baptist Church:
"-Shirley: Noah, do you know what fag troops are?
-Noah (age 8 approx): Yeah.
-Shirley: What?
-Noah: It's this nation. Of these fags. It's this nation of fags. That's what fag troops means.
-Shirley: It is the nation of fags, that's right . . . Noah, do you know what else you could be besides a fag, to be in trouble with God and be included in that sign? If you're not just a fag, but what else?
-Noah: Erm . . . Swedish and . . . soldiers and . . .
-Shirley: But what are you if you're not a practising fag, what are you? What if you support fags, what does that make you?
-Noah: A dyke?"
ROTFWL!
"I will not have my kids call themselves dating anyone, or doing any activity that would remotely resemble what this generation calls dating. To what end would they do that? What would be the purpose? So they can fornicate?"
So they can meet and eventually marry someone who wasn't hand-picked by their matchmaking parents instead? Oh, the horror!
God said "grow and multiply", He never said "use disgusting es-ee-ex (S.E.X.) to achieve that holy goal"! Genitals and the naked body are the creation of Satan. We had all our many children by praying for the insemination of the Holy Spirit
"Don't think of fags as just those guys who are taking it up the tailpipe. Think of it as people who are involved in some perverted sex act, and I'm talking about anything other than one man, one woman, in their marriage bed."
Ah... So, if'n I "honour" my legitimate missuz in the hay or over the kitchen table, ah'm perverted then?
"Excuse me, Dad, I have a question too. If'n I furnikkayte mah date in mah parents' marriage bed, then it's okay, right?
An'... an'... an' if'n mah gurl date (in mah parents' marriage bed) takes it up the tailpipe, whuz' she: a fag, or a dyke?"
"At 88, Graham will soon die, and split hell wide open. And Westboro Baptist Church will picket your funeral. Amen."
Proving, by his untimely death, that God don't never grant hell-bound false prophet Arminian heretics a long life!
I suppose Hell will split wide open because of the heat, combined with the fact that Graham eats chili con carne at every meal...
"God almighty has not joined fags in holy wedlock. God no longer keeps America safe, America is doomed. We're getting the pants beat off of us, in Iraq, in Afghanistan."
We're getting the pants beat off of us, and our fag asses rammed good in Iraq, in Afghanistan. That'll sure teach sodomy-lovin' America a good lesson!
"God is now America's terrorist, that's who Bush is fighting, that's the terrorist that he best be afraid of. You tweaked his nose you jackass, you tweaked his nose! God put it in your wicked heart to start that war. That's the message we've got at the funerals of these dead soldiers. God duped you into starting a war, so he could punish you."
Osama? You... you're GOD? By the beard of Allah, I knew it all along! That kind Buddha-like face, that miraculous Sodom-and-Gomorrah destruction of the WTC from the flaming skies...
I'm sure poor tormented Bush's heart is bleeding over the guilt of all those soldiers' deaths.
"-Louis: I was struck by your preaching, you referred mainly to the Old Testament and it was almost as though you felt that we were living in a time of biblical prophecy. Is that accurate?
-Fred: No, it's not accurate. If you had just a little knowledge of the Bible, you would know that what you just said is stupidity in spades. I don't know how to deal with a question like that. You're just too dumb, sorry. You've got a duty to know the Bible as well as I do.
-Louis: Why?
-Fred: Because you're a human being, because God almighty made you, and God almighty is going to send your ass to hell. "
I think I've just narrowed down the possible list for our anonymous flamer...
Their signs and slogans are a collection of priceless gems. And what about that "Fag vets"? (Hunh? What the fag?...)
All that's missing is one that says plain and simple: "Fag you!" or "Go fag yourself"...
How about this then:
On June 5th 2007, on ITV's Jeremy Kyle Show, Shirley Phelps told a Catholic member of the audience that the Catholic church is "the largest paedophile machine in the whole world, and God hates them"; the satellite link was then broken.
I'd have to agree about the "pedophile machine" but I feel that the connection might get broken if I use the term Cathzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I had never heard of Westboro Baptist Church before but now I'm a fan. This just might be the only Christian church impossible to ridicule. Their ridic factor is already maxed out, making them kinda cool. :-)
But what do I know, I'm a fag-enabler coming from an abominable sodomite whorehouse masquerading as a nation.
"God is now America's terrorist. (Actually Pascal Bush is the terrorist not God.)
God put it in your wicked heart to start that war. That's the message we've got at the funerals of these dead soldiers. God duped you into starting a war, so he could punish you."
Bush used "Christianity and manipulation mixed with blatant lies into starting that unjust war agaisn't Iraq. It wasn't the Iraqis who targeted the trade center but Bin Laden's people from Saudi Arabia.
BTW Bush has offically become the most UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT of ALL TIME surpassing NIXON. No shock actually. But Dubyas days are numbered. HE WILL STAND BEFORE BEFORE MY LORD JESUS ONE DAY and give an account WITHOUT THE PUPPET
PULLERS to read his cue-cards for him.
The blood on HIS HANDS WON'T WASH AWAY THAT EASILY.
I just wanted to remind you that commute trains are different from long haul. I don't have a strong European view, but I am up to date on US and UK trains.
Okay, how did my reply to FI's comment in Amtrak appear in the lewd beahviour thread?
There are fags, fags and fags. Are we all talking about the same word.
Fag is a verb - to act as servant to an older fellow schoolbay.
Fag is the noun meaning one who serves an older fellow school boy.
It also means cigarette.
Aparently it also was a verb meaning to droop, as in cigarette ash.
It can be noun meaning toil or drudgery.
So which fag are we taking about? Probably short for faggot, and I don't mean a bundle of sticks as seen in the symbol representing fascism.
Why shouldn't fags like final identity be able to be openly gay?
Final Identity? Hello? Are you still with us, Final Identity?
Dang, now we'll never know what it wuz he intended to reveal to the woild!
"Their ridic factor is already maxed out, making them kinda cool. :-)"
Yeah, I see what you mean. :-D
Talk about the Chronicles of Ridic!
At least, when we all go to Hell, it'll be a pleasant change from this low-life rotten dung-hole of a planet. Plus, if we indeed split it open, the draft should be pleasantly refreshing, don't you think? ;o)
"Actually Pascal Bush is the terrorist not God."
Who's Pascal Bush? ;-)
Oh, right: you missed a comma. LOL!
Anyways, the God I believe in doesn't do such cruel things. A God of forgiveness would never put madness in people's hearts to lead them into sin and then punish them for it. How can we be held accountable for our actions if we don't have free will, if we're mere puppets being blinded by God into sinning? In an accident, do you prosecute the car or the reckless driver? This is too twisted a doctrin to even comment at. Many misled people tried to "teach" it to me, while they're were only confessing their own flawed human beliefs and projecting them on THEIR representation of God. An awfully commonplace theological mistake...
"BTW Bush has offically become the most UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT of ALL TIME surpassing NIXON. No shock actually."
You said it. Serves him well. ):-P
As another Republican President once said: "You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all the time."
Abraham Lincoln also more officially said: "Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary... and you allow him to make war at pleasure."
Those who ignore History are doomed to repeat it...
It is my belief that the puppet pullers will have more to account for than their dummy.
Which is why, I just can't swallow that our sins somehow could ever come from God. Some people mistake their conception of God with that of an all-powerful Satan! They're just re-creating God to THEIR sorry image.
All lies. Excuses. "The Devil made me do it." "It was God who blinded my heart/eyes." "Why didn't God stop me if He disagreed?" "Society made me a sadistic serial killer."
Pathetic. And cowardly. Assume your actions, or you can never repent and be forgiven! Circumstances seldom explain, justifiy and excuse everything, especially the worst.
Alex said...
"Okay, how did my reply to FI's comment in Amtrak appear in the lewd beahviour thread?"
Um... Freudian slip? ;-)
"So which fag are we taking about? Probably short for faggot, and I don't mean a bundle of sticks as seen in the symbol representing fascism."
Why not? It seems clear to me that the Westboro Baptist Church view the USA as a fascist nation of corruption.
"Sticks and stones,
faggots and mounds,
our words alone
will hurt by their sounds.
So let's picket them funerals
and gay wedding matrimonials!"
Those who ignore History are doomed to repeat it...
As farce.
Congrats on the Blogger account, Joe.
Are you really 112? Based on your level of grumpiness, I figured you'd be older than that. ;-)
Way older! I'm a Struldbrug.
Well, I've learned something today.
I really should catch up on my list of must-read classics.
Good luck. For people like us, the list of must-read books will continue to grow faster than the list of have-read books.
Good luck. For people like us, the list of must-read books will continue to grow faster than the list of have-read books.
Unless your name is Kim Peek. Look him up - quite an interesting guy:
http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant_syndrome/savant_profiles/kim_peek
P.S. How do you do links the good way? (Like Pascal did with "something" above.)
I really should catch up on my list of must-read classics.
I recommend the annotated version (annotations by Isaac Asimov).
See the HTML tag examples beyond the comment composing box, Joe? Let's write them "[b]" instead so they'll show like I typed them, instead of in final HTML form. My link that you mention then writes: Well, I've learned [A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struldbrug"]something[/A] today.
[I] codes for italics[/I], [B] for bold text[/B], [b][i] and you can combine them at will[/i][/b]. (Capitals are just for your own visual convenience, they don't change the result.)
You can check it out by clicking the "Edit" button in your window toolbar, or right click + "View Source". I taught myself HTML that way.
There's a Gulliver version annotated by Isaac Asimov???
"Hello, 1-800-SANTA-CLAUS? I have an urgent order for this Yule, please."
Thanks, Big P.
Pascal always makes me go a big rubbery one.
Pascal always makes me go a big rubbery one.
Me too! (Just kidding!)
Wow, Pascal, you're getting a lot of lusty attention these days. Now only missing is that some of it is from women.
(Sigh!) Yeah, you can say that again. The story of my life.
Well, at least that "big rubbery one" thing is right on topic. :o)
Attitudes to sex in America are just too weird for words. In many states anything other that plain vanilla sex within marriage wasn't (isn't?) just frowned upon, it was outright illegal. It used to be an offence, attracting serious jail time - and it may still be for all I know - for a married couple to indulge in anal or oral sex (and if you were gay you'd probably just be taken out and shot). What I'd really like to know about laws like this, though, is how on earth are they enforced?
Let me just say, I am a fan of lewd behaviour of all kinds. Even though I don't know how a guy could be attracted to other guys - I mean, we're pigs.
Lewd trivia fact of the day: in pigs, the orgasm lasts 30 minutes.
This might explain why so many human males LIKE to be pigs! I mean, come on, honestly: wouldn't YOU?
This explains SO much...
Pascal, you make my job too easy.
I was considering thanking you, but that would be out of character.
Well, RAFfy, you're very much not welcome then. :-)
(Note to self: buy latex stocks, the world price trend is up, up, up. Big time.)
Pascal [P-04referent] said...
Lewd trivia fact of the day: in pigs, the orgasm lasts 30 minutes.
This might explain why so many human males LIKE to be pigs! I mean, come on, honestly: wouldn't YOU?
I sure would. Even the idea of being slaughtered isn't so bad if you get 30. Minute. Orgasms. Plus you get to roll around in your own filth.
Now, consider the wise words of Chandler Bing:
"Okay, pigs don't mate for life. I mean a pig can have like a hundred sexual partners in a lifetime, and that's just an ordinary pig, not even a pig that's good at sports!"
Add the 30 minute orgasm to the equation and it's looking like a pretty sweet existence.
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