Monday, October 22, 2007

Fear rules

Anon sez:
Security is a load of crap. It's probably the most poorly defined concept of all time. Right next to "good taste" and "common sense".
Maybe you feel secure being watched by a bunch of CCTV cameras on the bus, but I don't. I feel quite secure without the cameras, mind. Maybe you don't feel secure being out by yourself at night, but I do. I don't feel secure in a car or plane though, which may be irrational, but it's no more irrational than ever more stringent "security" measures.
That being said, giving up freedom for security is just not acceptable.

Quite.
We are ruled by fear. A couple of years ago you could not buy honey in the UK for love nor money. One specialized kind of honey had been linked somehow to cancer, see...
And when I was in high school, our favorite workout in phys ed class was the trampolines. But then they were pulled out, because there had been a couple of accidents somewhere in the country (Denmark). That these accidents were on mini-trampolines, not big ones, was immaterial, all trampolines were removed from all schools in the country.

The basic thinking is "must not happen again".

There's a wonderful old science fiction story by Jack Williamson (whose first story was in the 1920s, and who only died last year, almost 100 years old, and who I met in 1990) called "With Folded Hands". Somebody invents a small black robot whose job it is to serve man and to protect him. The problem is not only does this robot propagate automatically, it is also programmed too well. They will not allow anybody to do anything that may potentially harm them. Which of course pretty much means anything at all.
Which I think is a beautiful analogy for fear stopping us from living.

Alex says:
I can't tell if Britain is cowering at home on a Saturday night with a six pack of tinnies of Fosters and a DVD rather than going the cinema and having a pint after. I only hear what I'm told. I am told that in Leeds they still go out on mass to get bladdered at the weekend.

Even if there are no fireworks on Nov 5th, and they are building schools without playgrounds because they are too unsafe, and there are no showers after PE because statistically 1 in 10 kids is a pedophile (joke), Britain is worth visiting. Worth it for the art, architecture and just the general, you know history of it all.

There is a distinct difference between walking through a Cornish fishing village and a Mediterranean fishing village.

London is a different scale to NY, SF, DC, Paris, Munich. You just have to be there to know what it is.

You can probably emulate Scotland by visiting New Zealand for landscape, but you will not be drinking 80' with your haggis, tattens and 'neeps.

If you have had fish and chips in the US served with Four Monks English Pub Style Malt Vinegar, it is like seeing the Mona Lisa and thinking you know what Botticeli's Venus is like.

You can only go to the Bloody Tower in one city.

You will never find another country that was ruled by Romans, Celts, Vikings, Saxons and Normans (except maybe the North of France).

There is only one place in the world which makes tea with cold milk. That is Britain. You can drink it with Eccles cakes, scones, barabrith, crumpets...

Where else do you get a daily nude in the newspaper? Where else can you get fish and chips wrapped in a newspaper with a nude girl in it? Where else would you find "curry'n'chips with mushy peas"?

Britain, for now, is so British. Sure, I defy you to find a British barmaid in London, but give it a try before it becomes something new.

Actually Denmark has had nudes in newspapers for 35 years.

Anyway, when living in Scotland, I tried to put up a small text-only ad in the local shop asking for a nude model. It was taken down because it shocked people. And in the same shop they were selling newspapers with full nudes in them, sometimes on the front page! I don't always get humans.

14 comments:

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

"The basic thinking is "must not happen again".

Come on, guys, what's wrong with you? People are dying. Every day. In fact, most people who were ever born ended up dead, and chances are the same fate awaits those of us who were born less than 120 years ago and are still breathing.
This must not happen again. We should all lead eternal, immortal and 100% risk-free lives. But then maybe boredom would still kill us. :-P

Eolake Stobblehouse said...

Or we may wish it did.

Anonymous said...

That being said, giving up freedom for security is just not acceptable.

Welcome to the 21st Century and biblical prophecy. 1984 (Orwell) wasn't a fictional story, the days are here and we are moving closer to a "state run" world. The anti-christ will soon appear.

Anonymous said...

"1984 (Orwell) wasn't a fictional story, the days are here and we are moving closer to a "state run" world."

I agree. But in my opinion we are already there. There is pretty much a direct parallel to everything Orwell wrote in 1984. The Ministry of Truth is on duty.

"The anti-christ will soon appear."

We can always wish. But it looks like we may have to take care of 1984 all by ourselves.

Anonymous said...

I can dress up in a black robe and pretend to be the antichrist? Or are people expecting someone with a beard and some explosives these days?

It really bums me out that people are so willing to give up their freedoms for a false sense of security.

So .. who's up for using some uninhabited island to start a country ruled by Sense instead of Fear?

Anonymous said...

"Welcome to the 21st Century and biblical prophecy. 1984 (Orwell) wasn't a fictional story, the days are here and we are moving closer to a "state run" world."

This is something I see in place, something I feared would only grow more powerful as time passed. But I've sensed a change recently. I think we're ultimately going to avoid that. That world isn't going to see the time beyond its infancy.

Call it a hunch. (A powerful one at that.)

Anonymous said...

peaceful blade said: "But I've sensed a change recently. I think we're ultimately going to avoid that. That world isn't going to see the time beyond its infancy."

I too have thought about when the opposite phase in this might be kicking in. Nothing lasts forever, so eventually we will reach the tipping point where enough people will have come to the (perhaps painful) realisation that liberty is more valuable after all. From that point onwards we will then see the big brother society gradually being dismantled.

The question is when. I don't believe we have seen the worst of this yet. On the other hand there are positive signals. One that gives me hope is the huge phenomenon that is building around presidential hopeful Ron Paul. In the (still somewhat unlikely) event that Ron Paul were to become the next U.S. president, the tipping point would be right there.

Another is the fact that media hasn't been completely silenced yet. For example a recent article in L.A. Times paints a rather gloomy picture of Britain's privacy violating practices, but the fact that this article was published at all is good news.

Lastly, it is good to see public figures such as Mike Oldfield bring the issue up. Who knows he might have chosen to move to Spain anyway but decided this was a great opportunity to raise awareness on this.

Anonymous said...

I agree. But in my opinion we are already there. There is pretty much a direct parallel to everything Orwell wrote in 1984. The Ministry of Truth is on duty.
ttl said.

i agree but with the notion that the truth has been altered to fit the depection. dubya proved that.
poor britian is following blindly behind. no freedoms left, only faint echoes of the past.
i wanted to visit the UK one day but now I have decided it isn't worth the effort. since they thrive on fear let them eat themselves into suspicion of everyone, the nazis would be proud.

Alex said...

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Benjamin Franklin


Okay, so now I'm quoting quotes I heard while playing Civilization IV, but it fits here.

I can't tell if Britain is cowering at home on a Saturday night with a six pack of tinnies of Fosters and a DVD rather than going the cinema and having a pint after. I only hear what I'm told. I am told that in Leeds they still go out on mass to get bladdered at the weekend.

Even if there are no fireworks on Nov 5th, and they are building schools without playgrounds because they are too unsafe, and there are no showers after PE because statistically 1 in 10 kids is a pedophile (joke), Britain is worth visiting. Worth it for the art, architecture and just the general, you know history of it all.

There is a distinct difference between walking through a Cornish fishing village and a Mediterranean fishing village.

London is a different scale to NY, SF, DC, Paris, Munich. You just have to be there to know what it is.

You can probably emulate Scotland by visiting New Zealand for landscape, but you will not be drinking 80' with your haggis, tattens and 'neeps.

If you have had fish and chips in the US served with Four Monks English Pub Style Malt Vinegar, it is like seeing the Mona Lisa and thinking you know what Botticeli's Venus is like.

You can only go to the Bloody Tower in one city.

You will never find another country that was ruled by Romans, Celts, Vikings, Saxons and Normans (except maybe the North of France).

There is only one place in the world which makes tea with cold milk. That is Britain. You can drink it with Eccles cakes, scones, barabrith, crumpets...

Where else do you get a daily nude in the newspaper? Where else can you get fish and chips wrapped in a newspaper with a nude girl in it? Where else would you find "curry'n'chips with mushy peas"?

Britain, for now, is so British. Sure, I defy you to find a British barmaid in London, but give it a try before it becomes something new.

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Secret Breath said...
"The anti-christ will soon appear."


Maybe we already know him/it, just not yet as the anti-christ?
But I'm having a hard time believing the theory that he would be local Druze leader Walid Joumblatt, from an interpretation of the Book of Daniel. Joumblatt's anything BUT the dark overlord type.

"I can dress up in a black robe and pretend to be the antichrist? Or are people expecting someone with a beard and some explosives these days?"

H.O.O.T.! Hooting Of Overboard Tittering! :-D
That's exactly what some people might be expecting. The black robe would be a nice added touch, though. Very voldemortesque.

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Benjamin Franklin


It is better to quote Ben Franklin than Ben Laden! :-P

I think I have a similar list about touring Lebanon, somewhere in my CD-Rom collection. But I'll spare it to you. It's not a good season to come visiting anyway. "Even" with the UK you'd be better off. (Joking, Alex!)
Still, few lands have seen more invaders/conquerors/"overfriendly allied nations" than Lebanon. Except for the Zulus and the Aztecs, I think we've pretty much seen every historical empire.

Alex said...

38 years ago in theUK

From wikipedia...
"The Page Three girl was introduced in 1969 when Rupert Murdoch relaunched The Sun."

Is it ever warm enough to be naked in Scotland ;-)

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Oh, you know Naked Munros too? :-)

Darn. Just checked their site, looks like they were becoming TOO well-known!

Eolake Stobblehouse said...

What's that?

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

It's about a couple of naturists who made the project of climbing all of Scotland's munros (their mountains) in the buff.
"Is it ever warm enough to be naked in Scotland"