Monday, January 04, 2010

Divorce awards

McCartney's ex-wife awarded almost $50 million, article.

I don't know exactly how normal this kind of thing is, but it's normal enough that pre-nuptual agreements to prevent it are normal. (And why did McCartney apparently not have one, I wonder.)

What I also wonder is, how is this justified? I've heard that it's an evaluation of how much the spouse has contributed to the wealth. But seeing as how McCartney's income comes largely from music written in the sixties, how did Heather contribute to it during their four-year marriage in the naughties? (Hmm, has any standard been established for the name of that decade? And the next one?)

I imagine it's a factor that she has "gotten used to" a certain standard of living. But if I live with my rich aunt for half a year, can I get a court order for her to subsidize that kind of living for the rest of my life, just because I feel it's a hardship to live on less now?

25 comments:

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Odd... It sounds as if you've just summarized the recent Copenhagen conference.
Where everybody said: "Why should *I* be the one making efforts? I'm USED to producing CO2 for my wealthy lifestyle!"

The TOTAL amount of CO2 pollution of a poor rural African person is equivalent to a Western television.
But all the industrialized nations "feel it's a hardship to live on less now". Starting with top-of-the-pops-consuming USA, "farting" twice as much per capita as any other nation!
"That was Hu Jintao. He said China wants in on the orgy, or he calls the cops."

The thing is, everybody, sooner or later, is going to pay the price.
(Even though, AS USUAL, most of it is being paid by the poor. Famins in Africa, floods in the modest neighborhoods of New Orleans, etc.)

Those complaining about colonialism are rather similar to people complaining that "there should have been a prenuptial agreement before I got thoroughly screwed".

P-4, a.k.a. "Dr Metaphor".

KabelYaache said...

Parasites like that should be dropped into a shredder. Those with talent and hard work create, and the sucking parasite wives (usually) get a piece of the pie.

That's what they say about alimony in the USA:

The screwing you get is for the screwing you got.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what kind of lifestyle she could have gotten used to that she needs $50 million to sustain it. It's gone from one extreme to the other. In the old days she'd have been left practically destitute, these days the guy always gets taken to the cleaners. I wonder if McCartney's asshole is sore.

Anonymous said...

It's hardly amazing that McCartny's ex-wife got a proportion of his fortune. And I don't care that she did. If Paul wanted to keep her from his money all he had to do was get her to sign a prenup, or not marry her to begin with. He's a putz! OK, a talented, romantic putz. And he has the ability to earn more money than anyone who reads this blog, so please don't feel sorry for him. He can spare 50 mil.

It kind of amazes me that you have men posting anonymous hostility toward "parasite wives" who might have (properly?) been left destitute in other times. I would have hoped that your tasteful nudes had brought in a better class of human being.

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

"OK, a talented, romantic putz."
Yeah, I read you. I too have a soft spot for fools in love. :-)
Even geniuses can lose their common sense at such times.

"And he has the ability to earn more money than anyone who reads this blog, so please don't feel sorry for him."
Please don't underestimate McCartney's curiosity. You might find yourself talking to him one of these mornings, who knows? :-)
With all the oft famous people that "Mr Stobbblehouse, sir" personally knows, it could happen!

P.S.: look again, the post using the word "parasites" wasn't anonymous. The following two, on the other hand... ;-)

BTW, Kabel, be careful: talking about a shredder so casually, you might unwittingly attract the random green-skinned kick-ass tuff-trash-talking mutant urban ninja reptile, followed by a guy in a hockey mask, preceding a super-hot reporter babe.
Hey, what am I saying?
Shredder, SHREDDER, SHREDDER-SHREDDER-SHREDDER!!!!!.
:o)

dave nielsen said...

It's funny how anonymous, complaining of another anonymous poster's hostility, lets the bile flow pretty freely him/herself. Of course as Pascal pointed out the comment about parasite wives wasn't from one of the many hate-filled anonymous bottom feeders who infest blogs.

That McCartney can afford it isn't the point, really, and as a dude I can say I would have a hard time asking a woman to sign a prenup. It's like you're expecting th emarriage to fail.

Eolake Stobblehouse said...

Fair point that.

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Precisely.
Normally, when you decide to get married, a minimum of mutual trust and sincerity is implied. Normally.
But is anything NORMAL in Tinseltown?...

A starlet and her producer are getting married in Hollywood. While exiting the church, one of the guests asks them:
- So, where are you going for the honeymoon?
The bride whispers:
- We're not going. We want to save up for the divorce!


I read that one in The Jokes Dictionary, more than 30 years ago!

A cuter joke, seen in some movie or sitcom:
A man is complimenting his wife's beauty:
- My, you look absolutely stunning tonight, and in that dress!
She holds his head in her hands, and whispers:
- No need to flatter me. I *know* you married me for my great personality.
:-)

TC [Girl] said...

Dave Nielsen said...
"...as a dude I can say I would have a hard time asking a woman to sign a prenup."

Yeah. It's an ODD request!! What if the financial "tables" were turned?! Would this still work for the dudes making these comments?! Doubt it! :-(

"It's like you're expecting th emarriage to fail."

I agree! It definitely doesn't give a relationship anymore "warm and fuzzy" TRUST, RESPECT, nor otherwise expecting to begin a marriage with this kind of unreasonable parameter. :-(

Like...what if the dude ends up being a drunk or a gambling addict and "pisses away" the couple's entire savings. How does that work for them, then?

I think that if there is a "disEASE" with a person having to "share" what is "his" then...that person really just otter stay SINGLE!! That would be a HUGE "RED FLAG"...for me!!

In fact, why not just do away with marriage all together 'cuz...there are NO GUARANTEES that *any* of the "promises" entered into, during the vows, can -- nor will -- be upheld by either party! We are ALL but imperfect humans!! :-(

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Living with a perfect person would most likely be insufferable, no?

"It has been my experience that people with no defects have very few qualities." -- Abraham Lincoln

Besides, loving someone in spite of their imperfections is the best confirmation that you truly love them. True Love is forgiving.

Hear this, fire-and-brimstome bigots: God is the supreme True Love! :-)

Also, it's nice to light-heartedly joke with your loved ones about their (and your own) imperfections. To me, it's a fun way to remind of that indulgence on a daily basis.

My belief is that God would never have created Hell. It exists soley from our own failure to forgive both others and ourselves, and let it all go, all the pointless hate and anger and conflict.

Rodney Dangerfield said...

"all the pointless hate and anger and conflict."

Hey, sounds like you've just described my last five marriages! (Have we met?)

Nag, nag, nag... Divorce isn't always hell. It can be an act of mercy. Mutually!

Alimony isn't part of that mercy from my part. The reason I pay it, is because the Judge didn't leave me a choice! He said to me: "Either you pay it, or you have to submit evidence that you're supporting a new wife."
So I chose to pay.

Anonymous said...

It exists soley from our own failure to forgive both others and ourselves, and let it all go, all the pointless hate and anger and conflict.

That works for most of us poor slobs, most of whom haven't done anything that bad, but what about the Hitlers of the world?

It's a good thing the real Rodney Dangerfield is dead, he wouldn't like some colossal douchebag impersonating him. His routines didn't lay on the hate like that. I can see why, without having met you, you're divorced.

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

Gee, thanks for proving my point so fast, Josie!
If you weren't so bitter, I'd call you a saint for being so sweetly helpful.

Bitte(r), Fraülein. Danke schön.

BTW, I'm seriously wondering about the pent-up sexual symbolism of your intense fixation with douche bags. Were you traumatized by a voyeur as a young teen while training in intimate hygiene?
Or did your Dad divorce because he claimed Mom smelled?

That would explain SO much.
Zo. Lie down comfortably and tell me all about it, ya?

Eolake Stobblehouse said...

TCG, you have a good point about Trust and Respect.

On the other hand, I think demanding multi-millions of a spouse's fortune on divorce is not every loving either.

I don't think gender is relevant. If I were to marry J. K. Rowling (and I won't say I wouldn't, she's very attractive (call me Jo)), I would not expect to walk away with twenty million pounds of hers in a divorce five years later.
And if I were expecting it, I'd hope somebody would slap some sense into me.

Thinking about it, if she brought up a prenup, I would hope I would not take it as a personal offence but rather a sensible precaution given the world we live in. Look, all those greedy monsters we see in divorces were surely also loving and amazing creatures in the beginning of the relationship, no?

TC [Girl] said...

Eolake said...
"On the other hand, I think demanding multi-millions of a spouse's fortune on divorce is not every loving either."

Completely agreed! I was only thinking that it is just WAY SAD that the need for such a document even had to come about in the first place and...also, of course, how much value is put on money, in this life, and not, say, on spending the time to really get to know this person that you are wanting to include in your life; perhaps sorting out the "Ho's" from the "Diamond" so to speak! lol! ;-) And...contrary to what many men tend to believe, not all women are "Gold Diggers." I would beg to know how long and "deep" McCarthy mined...when he discovered this chick...from the time that they met until the time that they married. What was her true nature, etc. I guess there is a price to be paid for, perhaps, thinking w/"the other head...down south"! lol! :-)

"Look, all those greedy monsters we see in divorces were surely also loving and amazing creatures in the beginning of the relationship, no?"

Again...IF a couple spent as much time getting to know each other - outside of the bedroom - as they do planning and working on an education, even, perhaps there would be grounds for "concern" if things like this happened; but...IMHO, few spend much time getting to know each other (clearly...by the divorce rate!) near "deep" enough before traipsing down the aisle!

And...perhaps - just say - that McCartney "wined and dined" (a.k.a. "enticed") this chick with the "grandeur" of luxury that he, himself, has become accustomed to, all these years...just to woo her...interesting no one considers how he could even, partially, be part of his own "undoing"?

So...since this world puts *so* much value on money, ahead of character, morale, and even maintaining one's own sanity (lol!), perhaps there otter be a maximum income threshold to where a person is still "allowed" to get married...if they really do want to do such a thing. Beyond the cap, the person takes themself outta the "league" of "eligible" bachelor/ette; foregos the "privilege" of marrying and "lives happily ever after with ALL their [stinking! (lol!)] wealth and riches." Yes. I see that as a WONDERFUL solution! ;-) (Playing "Devil's Advocate" here.)

(personally, I think that BOTH parties that come into a marriage should, upon the unfortunate event that they decide to go separate ways after a length of time, be able to leave the marriage with whatever they came into the marriage with...including their own damn, stinking money! lol! Upon union, whatever has been accrued during that timeframe (money included); and...if it is in a country/state where everything is divided equally between the 2 parties...then that part of the "worth" should be split; none before that timeframe should be included.)

dave nielsen said...

I kind of found Rodney's comments to be just as bad as Josie's, or almost.

Rodney Dangerfield said...

Come on, people, where's your sense of humour? No harm meant, it's all jesting. Ease up, will ya?
Seesh! Tough crowd today. Should've stayed in Vegas. Or Baghdad. I tell ya, I don't get no respect in Europe.
Okay, so I didn't get much more at home. Not from Daddy Monty Burns, not from my son Lil' Nicky... my MAILMAN was the one with a dog biting ME!
I tried performing in Afghanistan for one night, but the armed bearded guys said I wuz givin' da place a bad name. That's how funny I was. Constance: that's my best quality.
That was also the name of my 3rd wife. Constance. (Or was it my 13th mother-in-law?) Whatever. Slept with both, anyway. Paid dearly for it each time, too.

Have you read my epitaph? Wrote it myself:
"Rodney Dangerfield - there goes the neighborhood!"
My only good joke! It's been all downhill from there...

I've never made it a mystery that all my weddings have been natural disasters. (Hmm, maybe it's just me?)

But I'm used to bein' dissed. I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous, everyone hasn't met me yet.
I'm used to it. No wonder. I was an ugly kid.
"How ugly a kid were you?"
So ugly, that my lawyer told me not to answer that! An' I grew up in a tough neighborhood. Tougher than Pascal's war stories, that's tellin' something. You think it's easy gettin' a decent sense of humor in these conditions? Well, I got news for you: Obama's health bill was voted.
(See? Can't even deliver a decent punchline on cue.)

Is it any wonder I keep divorcing?
My wife was a lousy cook. After dinner, I didn't brush my teeth. I counted them.
And she liked to talk during sex. WAY too much. Once, she called me from the motel to tell me how good it was.
Besides, SHE filed for divorce. Me, I was happy whenever I just didn't see her family.
But she said she was happy whenever she just didn't see me. So my Mom tried showing her my baby photos. That's when she decidedto call her lawyer.
I was an ugly kid.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if anybody had LIKED my comment. Surprises are bad for my heart.
Oh, wait: I'm dead. Sorry, force of habit.

So, your name's Josie, hunh?
You're nicer than my last wife. Will you marry me?

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

I'd say that if I signed a prenup before marrying someone like JKR, it would be proof that I'm marrying her out of love, not "while planning the divorce".
'Tis true, "what kind of world do we live in today?" Acknowledging this, and acting against it, should theoretically be normal and unoffensive, a part of the trust and respect which is supposed to underlie a marriage. Saying "I'd never want any more than enough to decently support me" is ALSO a way of telling some suspicious step-families "see? this marriage IS NOT about the money".
And, who knows? Sometimes, just sometimes, it could also be about telling oneself exactly that.

"perhaps sorting out the "Ho's" from the "Diamond" so to speak!"
I would've used the word "Muck" instead, but... :-)
Do you know what a raw, uncut diamond looks like when you find it? Nothing fancy. A bland, slightly sparkling, very hard rock. Revealing its true beauty takes some skillful work. And I LOVE that metaphor.
Even if you're the ideal guy marrying the ideal gal, it takes some pretty crafty -and intelligent- daily work to make the diamond into a gem of amazing beauty. It takes DEDICATION.
Taking love and/or happiness for granted is the surest way to become oblivious to it, and ultimately lose it all.

And maybe your shirt in the process!

I guess there is a price to be paid for, perhaps, thinking w/"the other head...down south"!
Well, you know... it IS scientifically proven that a man's two brains cannot function at the same time. Blod circulation dynamics 101.
And, the bigger the flaunted "second brain", the more marked the phenomenon! :-p

"And...perhaps - just say - that McCartney "wined and dined" (a.k.a. "enticed") this chick with the "grandeur" of luxury that he, himself, has become accustomed to, all these years...just to woo her..."
Good point. That second brain may be stored in a wallet sometimes. Ask Uncle Sigmund!

"(Playing "Devil's Advocate" here.)"
From what I wrote above suggesting, looks like Old Nick's got a tandem defending his case. ;-)
Nice work, colleague! (Shakes hands, and bows Japanese style.)

Rodney ,
So... working as Ghost In The Shell now?
Now there's a spooky thought. THAT face wandering loose over Cyberspace.
The viruses must be hiding in fear. ;-)

Rodney Dangerfield said...

Tell me about it. I think I've just startled a Trojan Zebra back there.
I wasn't allowed in Heck, several of my exes' moms objected to letting me in.
And they're Board members of the place, so...
My ears are still ringing from the banshee shrieks of Constance when she heard I was arriving.
And if I showed THAT face in Heaven, they'd have to rename the place.
I was an ugly kid.
When I was born, after the doctor cut the cord, he hung himself.

My wife was such a bad cook, the brand of our dishes was Petri.
But she was great in bed. All my buddies told me so.
We didn't have any kids. Every time I tried to, she would tell me to "think of the children"!
My wife has patented her pillow talk as an antidote for Viagra. Wish *I* could have gotten half of THAT money!
But it turns out my face is already patented as an alternative for vasectomy, and her lawyer pleaded that you can't patent the same device twice.

Rodney Dangerfield said...

Dave,

You're kinder than my usual audience. I hope you come back tomorrow night.
I mean, if the Doctors say it's okay. Nobody ever tried THAT crazy stunt before.

Except Constance. But by now you know she didn't survive.

Anonymous said...

I'd say that if I signed a prenup before marrying someone like JKR, it would be proof that I'm marrying her out of love, not "while planning the divorce".

That works if you suggest it.

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

You've got a point there.

The same might be true about that marriage, no?...
If there's no such suggestion, there's room for some suspicion.

shakes said...

That's why the marriage officials in good old South Africa, have the chore of asking whether you have a pre-nup... Don't know what they'll do if you don't...

Pascal [P-04referent] said...

It's perhaps better not to ask... ;-)

I do believe that a mandatory pre-nup could be a law-defined part of the whole legal-social frame that regulates marriage anyway.
It'd be one more of those laws that only bother those who plan on breaking them.

You can't make a law forcing love. But you CAN make laws forcing to properly treat others. That's the basic SPIRIT of laws, methinks.

If we've got the annoyances of laws, might as well enjoy their advantages at best.

TC [Girl] said...

Just read this. Kind of funny...in a strange sort of way! "Well, now, he gets his FREEDOM!!" (He's already WAY OLD; not much to do @ that age! Get it?! :0)