Sunday, December 31, 2006

About failure

"People are fond of spouting out the old cliché about how Van Gogh never sold a painting in his lifetime. Somehow his example serves to justify to us, decades later, that there is somehow merit in utter failure. Perhaps, but the man did commit suicide."
-- Hugh Macleod, How To Be Creative: 29. Whatever choice you make, The Devil gets his due eventually

Well, this is quite funny, well done Hugh.
On the other hand, I think Hugh's main point is misses its target. For one thing, it is either uneducated or disingenuous to hint that Vincent committed suicide because he was not selling well. If you read about him, it was clear that while he had existential angst out the wazoo, he was happy if he just had food and paint.

For another thing, if Vincent was actually a "failure" would anybody be using him as an inspiration? They use him because he was one of the biggest successes fine art has ever produced, only he died too young to see it happen. So the example is not "merit in utter failure", but merit in being highly successful even if it has not happened yet.

You can also see Vincent as an example of somebody who saw the bigger picture. Sure, he was agonizing about not being able to live the "real life" as he called it, with family, house, money, and respectability... and yet his art was so important to him that he sacrificed all that for it. And the world is much richer for it.
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Anyway, looking this up, I see that Hugh is being a bit quoted out of context on Quoteoftheday. His full point is more complex. (Or less clear...) Lo: (like usual, italics is quoted text)

"29. Whatever choice you make, The Devil gets his due eventually.

Selling out to Hollywood comes with a price. So does not selling out. Either way, you pay in full, and yes, it invariably hurts like hell.

People are fond of spouting out the old clich about how Van Gogh never sold a painting in his lifetime. Somehow his example serves to justify to us, decades later, that there is somehow merit in utter failure.

Perhaps, but the man did commit suicide. The market for his work took off big-time shortly after his death. Had he decided to stick around another few decades he most likely wouldve entered old age quite prosperous. And sadly for failures everywhere, the clich would have lost a lot of its power.

The fact is, the old clichs work for us in abstract terms, but they never work out in real life quite the same way. Life is messy; clichs are clean and tidy.

Of course, there is no one true way. Whether you follow the example of fame-and-glamor Warhol or poor-and-miserable Van Gogh doesnt matter in absolute terms. Either extreme may raise you to the highest heights or utterly destroy you. I dont know the answer, nor does anybody else. Nobody but you and God knows why you were put on this Earth, and even then

So when a young person asks me whether its better to sell out or stick to ones guns, I never know what to answer. Warhol sold out shamelessly after 1968 (the year he was wounded by the gunshot of a would-be assassin) and did OK by it. I know some great artists who stuck to their guns, and all it did was make them seem more and more pathetic.

Anyone can be an idealist. Anyone can be a cynic. The hard part lies somewhere in the middle i.e. being human."

-- Hugh Macleod

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Of course, there is no one true way.

Incorrect. There are many ways one can travel. Most can know there destiny if they dig deep enough.
I've known mine for many years.

The Devil gets his due eventually.

Always. God does as well. Look through the eyes of the beholder and your destiny lies between your reflection and your dark soul.
It's up to you which road you travel.
Success isn't measured by mammoth, but by accomplishment of things not seen or often heard.

Either way, you pay in full, and yes, it invariably hurts like hell.

It will also reward you as well.
But EVERYTHING done either in the flesh or spiritual side will result in some sort of payment due. NOTHING is free, not even love.

Anonymous said...

"NOTHING is free, not even love."
When I give it, I ask for no counterpart, only that it be accepted.
And the rest comes naturally. :-)

My main interpretation of Van Gogh's life is that he wasn't done justice like his talent deserved. Until it was too late. A sadly ordinary occurrence in this world...
It's not about failure being glamorous or romantic or anything. It's about being fair to people, right here, right now. Because we live in the present, so that's where/when we must act. An extension of Carpe Diem...

"Anyone can be an idealist. Anyone can be a cynic. The hard part lies somewhere in the middle i.e. being human."
Most excellently said. Now THAT's a wisdom to ponder!
I feel like I tend to be both, so I must be doing something right. :-)

Anonymous said...

Success isn't measured by mammoth, but by accomplishment of things not seen or often heard.

Very well put Apoloyon. Are you an educated person? If I assume you are with such wisdom?

Anonymous said...

Bush specifically acknowledge reaching the milestone of 3,000 American deaths, but a White House spokesman, said Bush wants even more troops sent in to gaurd and protect American interests and that their routine deaths were not made in vain. The campaign to hoard the oil will be a long struggle. But Bush feels it's all worth it and so should everyone else.

Anonymous said...

Very well put Apoloyon. Are you an educated person? If I assume you are with such wisdom?

Yes King Zod, educated at a university, but most of my wisdom comes from my very own life experiences.
I've studied human behaviour for a long time and the adverse effect it has on others as a whole.
If you have any particuliar questions you need answered I'll do so for you.

Anonymous said...

Apoloyon said...
"Yes King Zod, educated at a university, but most of my wisdom comes from my very own life experiences."

Like all truly educated people. :-)
School alone is not enough. The essential part is finding your own questions, and then your answers.

Reporter Culp said...
"Bush specifically acknowledge reaching the milestone of 3,000 American deaths, but a White House spokesman, said Bush wants even more troops sent in"

According to a very recent article, he wants to send in 3,000 more. Coincidence? :-(

Well, at least Bush won't need to wait until after he's dead, for his life's work to be appraised at its just value! ):-P

Anonymous said...

If you have any particuliar questions you need answered I'll do so for you.

Apoloyon, yes I do.
Why do you think that George Bush continues a war when it is apparent that it is a lost cause?
In my kingdom we know when a battle is over and a victory cannot be obtained.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think that George Bush continues a war when it is apparent that it is a lost cause?

Easy. First off, his pride. Secondly, he wanted a legacy aside from his failed father's presidential term.
Thirdly, he knows now that "anything" goes. Nobody will dare bring charges agaisn't him. Read The Fortunate Son book. It was orginally banned in the U.S. but it's now available and also A Case For Impeachment. Both can be obtained through Buzzflash.com.
There are some things to dangerous to mention over the internet. These books tell the entire tale of his darkness.

Eolake Stobblehouse said...

Testing comments.

Anonymous said...

Testing anon.

Anonymous said...

"Anyone can be an idealist. Anyone can be a cynic. The hard part lies somewhere in the middle i.e. being human."
Most excellently said. Now THAT's a wisdom to ponder!


That last line almost ruined it for me, as it seemed like trying to hard to sum up, and comes across that kind of stomach-turning pseudo-philosophical bullshit. And it's inaccurate. Anyone can be cynical, that's not quite the same.

It does seem to be true that Van Gogh was happy as long as he had food and could paint but it's unlikely he didn't long for some kind of recognition. It would only be human to want that. Fame in itself wouldn't have been his goal, that's different.

It also seems unlikely that his fame would have happened had he not died, or not died the way he did.