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Monday, April 27, 2009
Tattoos
A very nice nude of a tattoo'd Asian girl. (Photo by Shiroi Kaze.) Most of the time tattoos just ruin a model. But then some are artistically done. (Getting one of this size done must have taken some brass cohones.)
And several appointments by the look of it! Isn't it strange how some of us do something once (ie. getting just one tattoo) and others seem to get addicted and keep going back for more!
I would, personally, like the idea of having some dude who could spray (or hand paint) one on my back (and other areas! lol!)...that I could wash off and change, whenever I wanted. Oh and...the *excuse* for the dude to *doodle* on my body...again...and again! That would be nice! ;-)
I suspect the anti-sexuality of the major religions has been added later by the churches, not the people in whose names they ostensibly are run.
There's no way to know but based on what as a Jew he would have been required to believe his view of sexuality would be appalling to most people today.
Forgot to say that it is a really nice tat, though. I just like to change things up, every once in awhile; hence the other idea...besides supporting *the arts*. :-) It would probably feel really nice to have someone painting on a person's body...rather than having all that ink being injected! Ouch! It would probably be a really sensual experience...for both involved. :-)
I like the idea of non-permanent bodypainting rather than permanent tattoo. Any image I chose i'd get bored of eventually, even if it's one as nice as this.
Even though the tattoo is pretty and the model beautiful, I too am bothered by the permanance of tattoos.
Another bug however, one of my pet peeves is the marks from her clothes still showing in her skin. A Beautifully posed and lit image like this is ruined by little details like that. Would it hurt that much to have her get into a soft robe for half and hour before the shooting starts?
Jimbo said... "I like the idea of non-permanent bodypainting rather than permanent tattoo. Any image I chose i'd get bored of eventually, even if it's one as nice as this."
Now this is genuinely tasteful. Though I can understand Jimbo's position! :-)
Ray, Why not do both? "She's not made of sugar, you know." Oh, how I find it sad to make beautiful art out of chocolate, so easy to shape but so intrinsically ephemeral! I'm always torn between the urge to bite in it, the desire to keep it beautiful, and the knowledge that even if I don't touch it, it will soon spoil anyway. Ah, Tantalus, thy torture is mightieth indeed!
Eo, I suppose by "brass cojones" you meant for the woman getting this done on herself. Yeah, she's no girlie wuss, that's for sure. But still, I wouldn't swear that she's Yakuza, like a real-life Elektra. The tatto's not graphically violent enough for a Yakuza. :-)
TC, Good idea. Paint is neither pain(t)ful nor permanent. Lets you decide on a calm mind whether you want to stay that way and endure for it. And as for "the excuse"... woman, I like the way you think! :-)
Anonymous preached... "what would Jesus say about that tc?" LOL! Good one! Wait-wait-wait, I have a better one: "What would Jesus say about gynaecologists?" :-D
That's odd, I don't recall the four Gospels saying anything about a negative attitude towards nudity OR sexuality, coming from Jesus of Nazareth himself. He barely gave a criticism in private to an adulterous woman. That's not frowning on sex itself, but on misuse of it; perhaps she was even married, or did it with a married man. There were no clear details, apart that she should "sin no more". Heck, maybe what he meant to these guys about "being without fault" was that she might have been a hooker, but many of them hypocrites had been her clients! Quite possible...
And, he himself WAS baptised naked. Not to mention his execution. Nobody ever said anything about him being granted a loincloth. Would've gone against the humiliating intention of the execution, starting with its very nature. Crucifixion was a most demeaning form of execution. This is why, that day, he was in the company of two common thieves.
Your suspicion is right, Eolake. I'll be e-mailing you a few proofs of very official (and classic) religious nudity art. Stuff I'd be better advised not to post on my own Lebanon-based blog!!!
BaronessBlack added... "Nor, come to think of it, what religion they were!" Tell me the truth, Baroness: you're not really an evil Kobra operative, now, are you? ;-) Well spotted, BTW. See the Cananean woman's episode: [Matthew 15: 21-28] Which happened in my very own country! (proud) Or the centurion: [Matthew 8: 5-13] "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."
Anon 2 suggested... "There's no way to know but based on what as a Jew he would have been required to believe his view of sexuality would be appalling to most people today." What about what the OFFICIAL texts from the Church reveal to us about how laid back and understanding he was in so many matters? Becides, I believe the guy was executed precisely for breaking a jewish tradition too many. Like Saturday work. Washing hands. All those episodes where "the Pharisians came unto him with embarrassing trick questions"...
TC, If you're really interested in body painting, just inquire about naturist gatherings near where you live. They often have bodypainting artists there, and some very talented ones at that. Some could easily paint you to look like you're actually clothed. :-) But as for "sensual experience"... I just hope you're not too ticklish under a paintbrush!
Ian S frowned... "one of my pet peeves is the marks from her clothes still showing in her skin." I second that! One of the Domai newsletters told about a woman who had a nude portrait of her done for her husband. Or maybe a photoshoot. The photographer instructed her to be all groomed and ready previously to their meeting time, and to be wearing nothing but a loosely tied bathrobe (nightgown?) for at least the last 15 minutes, so all clothes marks would have gone before the shooting started.
Anon 3 visualised with a dreamy smile... "Some people might like that, the idea that she's only just got undressed." For erotica, sure. For art/beauty images, less so. Depends on your perspective...
I think in the present case the marks on the woman's bottocks are not from her clothes, but just from previously sitting on fabric folds (naybe those of her loose robe). Notice, no panties marks at the waist, no bra marks above either. She's "simply naked" enough for me. :-)
That's odd, I don't recall the four Gospels saying anything about a negative attitude towards nudity OR sexuality, coming from Jesus of Nazareth himself.Jesus said that if you were married and you just looked at another woman you had committed adultery in your heart. And, get this, the thought is considered as bad as the deed (basically meaning that if you think about doing something sinful, you might as well do it). Sounds crazy, right? And, not the least laid back. I'm not sure if he cared if you were single or not, but knowing him it was probably still a bad idea.
Like, for instance: I'm sorry but...would this look very sexy showing through a sheer bodiced dress at, say, a formal wedding or...nice dinner party? Uh...I don't think so! The ones, particularly in the front and extremities, are not very tasteful, I don't think. :-( Each to his own, though, I guess.
Pascal said... "TC, Good idea. Paint is neither pain(t)ful"
lol! Good one! :-)
"nor permanent. Lets you decide on a calm mind whether you want to stay that way and endure for it."
Right. No going back on that one! :-(
"And as for "the excuse"... woman, I like the way you think! :-)"
Thank you. Goes to prove that men are not the only ones who are...always *thinking*! lol! ;-)
and...
"TC, If you're really interested in body painting, just inquire about naturist gatherings near where you live. They often have bodypainting artists there, and some very talented ones at that."
Great idea, Pascal! I'll put that on my *bucket list*...and hope to get up the nerve, someday! :-)
"Some could easily paint you to look like you're actually clothed. :-)"
Yes...that is actually what I like...like those of Jessica White (remember?). That was cool! :-)
"But as for "sensual experience"... I just hope you're not too ticklish under a paintbrush."
Right. I might have to work on my sensitivity threshold. :-)
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Joe said... "I see a lot of turtle neck sweaters in her future."
lol! Actually sad but true! I wonder if she has discovered that, yet. The photographer was totally *digging* her look!
Joe said... "If a female is wearing a swim suit. She is considered clothed."
Yeah, Joe. I would say that is clothed...if all *private parts* are covered. :-)
"If she is wearing thick body paint is she considered nude? They both seem to give about the same coverage."
I would say not entirely. If a mini-bikini bottom could be used...for *the bottom* then I would consider that *adequate* to qualify for *proper* "coverage".
"Jesus said that if you were married and you just looked at another woman you had committed adultery in your heart."
- Firstly, this says nothing about nudity, I insist on that point. The guy was himself baptised naked, in front of a broad public, and it wasn't the least bit an official jewish baptism ceremony, either. If that's not an exemplary case of innocent nudity, then I don't know what is...
- Secondly, he said "look at her with LUST". What he meant, is that if you have a sexual fantasy about a woman, it's the same as actual sex, MORALLY. In other words: it's the thought that counts, literally, and sin is in the intention.
- Tertio, you Western people keep forgetting how often IMAGES were used, with one expression actually meaning something that can't be said crudely. "Uncover someone's nudity" = euphemism for "fornicate". "Look at *** with lust" probably refers to the 9th Commandment, "decided intent of doing adultery".
- Fourthwise, the definition of "adultery" is VERY blurry and subjective. To some, it's merely when one of the persons involved is married, therefore committed to fidelity. To others, if you sleep with your fiancée half an hour before your wedding, you'll both burn in Hell for all eternity!!!!!! You heard that?!? - What? - YOU HEARD THAT? - WHAT??!?- N°5, how many times did Jesus deliberately say one thing to actually get to the opposite conclusion? It's called sarcasm, guys and pharisees. If your son falls in the well on Saturday, do you wait til the next day to launch the rescue?
- Sixly, J. never actually said that HE viewed sex as foul, not even adultery itself in fact. Or did he? Got an explicit reference?
- Seven, case in point: "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone". Translation: "everybody does it, and you all darn well know it, you lynchmobbing hypocrites!" Still a bloody relevant remark in our days of church pedophilia scandals, where it's not only about sex/adultery, but about RAPE. Talk about the mote and the beam... [BTW, the "mote" was actually a straw, in the original texts. King James hadeth a very personal view of literary accuracy...]
My conclusion: if Jesus mentions so many instances of "technical adultery", such as marrying a divorcée, maybe he was subtly hinting to his highly uptight epoch that adultery isn't such a big deal after all, only betrayal of marital love is. And rape, of course. Just another of my trademark dumb hypotheses... Please forgive me if I have sinned with presumption there. ;-)
Besides, in any of the three Monotheisms, sex can only have been created by God. So how can it be intrinsically evil? Same for the human form, or even the contents of our bowels. Puh-leeze. It all depends on what you do with it, d'uh! Any good Christian wanting to say one bad word about sexuality better remember how (s)he was born. In fact, there too, same can be said about nudity, AND very often about the contents of our bowels. Check meconium on some search engine...
"but knowing him it was probably still a bad idea." What, now you know a guy who lived 2000 years ago and whose message was interpreted and twisted by dubious interests for all that time? What are you, smarter than the Pope? Granted, smarter than THIS Pope isn't much of a challenge. ):-P Everybody who claims to understand religion is actually just viewing it, and its vastly open interpretation, through the prism of their own intrinsic views. Me, I'm being straightforward about it. Never claimed it WAS the truth, just said "this is how I view/understand it". Some muslims insist that theirs is a religion of love and respect, and are sincere about it. Others, like Saint Osama, affirm that all it says, and with no ambiguity (liar!), is "go kill anyone remotely different". I've read some of the Koran. Quite enough to testify that it's more than ambiguous: often downright contradictory! (Which itself is explained in the verse "what, is Allah not free to change His mind?".)
So, anybody using the Bible/Gospel as an alibi for "I know the One Truth" is one I call a blasphemating liar. For that's PROVEN to be a false assertion. Jeez, I'm SO weary about all those so-called "enlightened" argumentations everywhere I look around me. How about we have ourselves a nice holy war every time, and whoever is left standing gets to be right? :-P
BTW, "what would Jesus say" about tattoos? Are they kosher? Oy vey, what a headache!
"The first impression of anyone that meets this woman. Will be that she lacks good judgement." Un-unh. That heart piece is very interesting anatomically, and rather wonderfully gothic. "Good judgement" is literally as arbitrary as saying "I (don't) like it".
Just remember what were the social standards in a very recent past. When rock 'n' roll was assured to turn all our fine youths into foaming psycho killer rapists with poor dress sense. (Oh, the horror!)
"Goes to prove that men are not the only ones who are...always *thinking*!" "Us men" are just more honest about it. ;-)
"I'll put that on my *bucket list*...and hope to get up the nerve, someday!" "Bucket list"??? Never heard that one before. Why "HOPE to get up the nerve"? If I had the abs I wish, instead of those I'm pretending not to not have, I wouldn't need any nerve. I'm essentially shy about not looking good. I'm sure the Dickster will back me up on that one, that's what he always says about nudism. :-)
"I might have to work on my sensitivity threshold." Here's my method: I play with the kids, and pretend I'm NOT ticklish. If I manage to convince them, then I'm homebound. Or rather, beachbound for some good painting. Still, tickling can ALSO be a very sensual experience. Anti-sadomaso can be quite enjoyable too...
To answer your question, TC, here's what I think: How come at the beach, as long as the genitals are covered -with more than your hand- you're "clothed", and in other instances, being in your undies and socks is "undressed", and sometimes totally "shocking"? Double standards from Society, methinks.
BTW, do they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts? I think they very officially do. Amazing, how nudity is less problematic than undressing...
"For example, in Brazil, home of the micro-bikini, bathing nude is a serious crime. And OK, even in Denmark it's strictly speaking illegal to be naked in public, although the chances of being arrested are smaller than most places."
This was more along what I had in mind. Was curious if body paint was an acceptable covering?
Pascal.... "they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts?" My experience is that most will just undress at the car. When the clothes come off there is a definite attitude change for the better.
TC said.... "If a mini-bikini bottom could be used...for *the bottom* then I would consider that *adequate* to qualify for *proper* "coverage"."
I agree and think it should be adequate. Not sure what the letter of the law would say.
Changing the way society thinks changes slowly, but it does change. Joe
Pascal said... "Sixly, J." and "hadeth" You CRACK me up! lol!
And..."meconium": please don't remind me of that first diaper change...even though it was probably the least of the grossness thereafter! lol!
""Us men" are just more honest about it. ;-)"
I'm betting that there are quite a few women out there that would be more than happy to talk w/you about it. You have probably just not discovered the right forum for that *outlet* yet. ;-)
""Bucket list"??? Never heard that one before."
The Bucket List, my dear. It's a sweet (and hilarious) movie about a couple of old geezers putting together a list of all the things they want to do before they die. Watch it; I bet you'll enjoy it! :-)
"Why "HOPE to get up the nerve"? If I had the abs I wish, instead of those I'm pretending not to not have, I wouldn't need any nerve. I'm essentially shy about not looking good."
I know exactly what you mean. There are...um...*high standards* to be compared to, when you hang around here! lol! I *suffer* from same; hence..."the nerve". :-(
"Still, tickling can ALSO be a very sensual experience. Anti-sadomaso can be quite enjoyable too..."
OK...if you say so, Pascal! I'll take your word for it! lol! ;0)
"How come at the beach, as long as the genitals are covered -with more than your hand- you're "clothed", and in other instances, being in your undies and socks is "undressed", and sometimes totally "shocking"?"
Uh...how about looking at the possibility that: it is *inappropriate* for that particular venue or occasion; that it might look out of place/context.
Picture yourself standing at the alter...looking deeply into the eyes of the beloved woman, that you are about to be married to...while standing there looking so handsome...[screech!!] in your underwear and socks?! WTF?! ("I KNOW I told YOU to go pick that suit up from the tuxedo place!" Grrr!)
"Double standards from Society, methinks."
No...I don't think so. I think it's more about *peer pressure*...that pesky thing that creeps into our lives all too early and continues to grow as we age!
The *shock* value is just the person who *dares* to walk their own walk; talk their own talk and doesn't give a shit what others around them thinks or says. That would be a wonderful and healthy way to live but..."shocking" sometimes because it would be *outside of the norm* for whatever situation that issue has become "shocking". Methinks...anyway. :-)
"BTW, do they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts? I think they very officially do. Amazing, how nudity is less problematic than undressing..."
And here, I am presuming...that you are presuming...that [un]dressing rooms are only for that specific purpose, when...perhaps, they are being used for *other things*. lol!
Joe said... "My experience is that most will just undress at the car."
Wow, Joe; I'm impressed! I haven't even made it to a nude beach, yet; I'm still waiting to [along w/getting up the nerve! lol!] find someone to go to one with me! :-)
(I like your cute little plane, there, Joe. I'm glad you put her up, here. I've been wanting to ask you about her. Yet another thing I want to put on my *bucket list*: learn to fly a plane, someday. Cool! :-)
Hmmm... Come to think of it, if I expect the same comprehensiveness standards from others that I myself apply, there should be no problem. Nothing in this body that's more embarrassing without a swimsuit than with one. ;-) But... human vanity. I'd still prefer to look -and BE- in better physical shape. Am making some effort...
"You have probably just not discovered the right forum for that *outlet* yet." Not sure there are many forums for non-seedy discussions! Unless I'm ready to set fire to the haystack... But yes, I really need to meet women with open minds and attitudes. (No, guys, not the way you've immediately started thinking! Shame on you! ;-)
"Picture yourself standing at the altar..." Well, you know, there are naturist weddings, where everybody's nude, including the priest. There are many christian naturist groups around the world.
"you are presuming...that [un]dressing rooms are only for that specific purpose" Surely not! Remember, I'm a grown-up. ;-) But they ALSO serve for the purpose mentioned in their name, apparently. Maybe to help the shy newbies work up the nerve?...
"The name is "the other woman" . My wife chose it because I spend more time with the plane than I do with her." Good one! :-) Though I seem to remember somebody doing the same with his boat. Are the two women refusing to meet and try to get along, Joe?
Grarrl!!! Juice out again! Aysha fee ma fee, ya man? Acara al-jaw! [It's lebanese talk. Really] Second time since after midnight, now even in the wee hours one can't be safe.
Back tomorrow. (sigh) Looks like my ultra-big post on the Mexican flu will have to wait. Barely finished creating the main image for it, still half untranslated...
Joe said... "Add it to your bucket list and try it. The perfect look is a illusion. We all fall short in one way or another."
I'll do that and try to remember your advise. Thanks.
"Big airplanes are good for transportation."
Right.
"A small plane is where the real flying is.
You are in control, a part of the machine not sitting enclosed in a big box just along for the ride."
Yes. I've actually been in a small plane and gotten *the fever*! lol! I'm a little bit of an aircraft nut...although I haven't made much of an effort to learn the names of some of the ones that I like. :-)
Flying over the Canadian Rockies in a small plane was quite the blast that I won't forget anytime soon. And...I've been in a 'Blackhawk' helicopter while I was in the military and have flown over magnificent *turquoise-colored* glaciers, in Alaska. I was also in a helicopter on Kauaii, over the gorgeous waterfall used in 'Fantasy Island' as well as the island's many other beautiful surroundings.
I've driven military vehicles into military cargo planes and find it fascinating how the dang thing can even get off the ground w/all of that weight onboard! Those boys are HUGE!! And...you have no idea how many times I have kicked myself for not having chosen the Air Force! lol!
I loved watching the 'Blue Angels' (looks like you guys just had them, in NC, Joe.) *do their thing* in San Francisco and have been inside the 'Spruce Goose'.
I *crave* getting into a plane like wanting to drive a stick shift, again! lol!
I watched 'Breaking the Waves' just the other day and was pleasantly surprised to see one of those massive helicopters that [I believe] was mentioned, awhile back, which can hold quite a load of people. I still need to find out if it is the one and the same type of heli but...I loved it! (Does anyone know the name of this helicopter? I can't seem to find any info. on it.)
Anyhow, so, yes...I can completely understand the name that your wife gave your plane and your *love* for her. :-) I understand that they do take quite a bit of time and expense so...I don't much expect it to be something that happens anytime in my near future but...it'll still go on my *bucket list*. :-)
"I'm a little bit of an aircraft nut...although I haven't made much of an effort to learn the names of some of the ones that I like." Maybe I crack you up, but really, I've seen tougher nuts to crack. You're still a loooong way from proper insanity, missie. Keep trying... ;-)
"And...you have no idea how many times I have kicked myself for not having chosen the Air Force!" Me, now I'm too stiff to manage such a physical skill anymore. Kicking myself... I wish! (Not for the act itself, but for other, more enjoyable equivalents. Use your imagination...)
What the...?!? By Ali and Zulfiqar, power out again! At THIS time of the day? These terrorist pigs will pay! I shalt smite thee, infidels!
(sigh) That's all for today, Pasc-fans. Tune in tomorrow, same Pasc-time, same Pasc-channel.
In the meantime, there's plenty of new stuff to read on my blog, I've been at it all night and FINALLY posted that mega-article I was talking about.
Pasc-man, over and out. ):-(
I think I need a sidekick named Over. Yeah, that sounds nice: Pasc-man and Over.
I would bet that if you were in a group of ten people. You could look around and find at least one person who you would consider to be in poorer shape or less attractive than yourself.
So if you are not the best and not the worst then you are somewhere in the middle. That means you are just about average which is where most of fall.
Pascal.. "Are the two women refusing to meet and try to get along, Joe?"
They do talk and get along together. Even taken a few trips to the beach together. They are beginning to get comfortable with each other;)
By the way she is a Piper Tripacer.
TC.. "Flying over the Canadian Rockies in a small plane was quite the blast "
Flew up the Shenandoah Valley a couple of years ago. A breath taking view. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenandoah_Valley
Tattoo,body painting,flying a small airplane,trying a nudist experience and countless other things keep life fresh and enjoyable. Go have a good time. Joe
This morning, I made up a new joke for my niece (she's nearing three), and she LOVED it, made her laugh heartily. Many times. Talk about an adventure!
Okay, not really an adventure, but it WAS a very good time. A great way to start the day.
Maybe those who seek extreme adventure and constant thrills are frustrated because they can't manage to find fun in everyday moments, and happiness in simple things? Just a thought...
Yeah, I think I'd like a tattoo. I also think I don't *need* one to feel good about myself. So, really, I don't know if some day... Probably not one as big as this one, though. But one as artistic? Would be worth it.
Joe said... "Found some examples of tattoos and body painting. A few seem to pass as clothing."
Been meaning to tell you "thanks," Joe. I was particularly *diggin'* the *badge* on the first one! lol! I had seen the one w/the chick in *shorts* the other night. Thought I recognized the link. Wonder why I didn't see the rest of them, that night. Hm. The orange one isn't very great coverage. Kind of sucks, actually.
I think I'll stick w/Jessica White's *2-piece bikini* idea. :-) I might look a little out of place walking on the beach w/some of these! lol! Would hate to get so *dressed up* just to go to the beach! ;-) I like the fairy one. Very vibrant colors. Cool. :-)
Just took my first flight lesson...to celebrate becoming an American Citizen, today!! What a BLAST!! I can't seem to wipe the GRIN off my face! It had been WAY too LONG!! :-)
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What to do? Kiss it or frame it?
I'd still prefer her sans tattoo.
And several appointments by the look of it!
Isn't it strange how some of us do something once (ie. getting just one tattoo) and others seem to get addicted and keep going back for more!
I would, personally, like the idea of having some dude who could spray (or hand paint) one on my back (and other areas! lol!)...that I could wash off and change, whenever I wanted. Oh and...the *excuse* for the dude to *doodle* on my body...again...and again! That would be nice! ;-)
what would Jesus say about that tc? He woldn't approve.
I suspect the anti-sexuality of the major religions has been added later by the churches, not the people in whose names they ostensibly are run.
Hear! Hear!
If I remember correctly Jesus wasn't particularly concerned what people looked like. Nor, come to think of it, what religion they were!
I suspect the anti-sexuality of the major religions has been added later by the churches, not the people in whose names they ostensibly are run.
There's no way to know but based on what as a Jew he would have been required to believe his view of sexuality would be appalling to most people today.
Forgot to say that it is a really nice tat, though. I just like to change things up, every once in awhile; hence the other idea...besides supporting *the arts*. :-) It would probably feel really nice to have someone painting on a person's body...rather than having all that ink being injected! Ouch! It would probably be a really sensual experience...for both involved. :-)
I like the idea of non-permanent bodypainting rather than permanent tattoo. Any image I chose i'd get bored of eventually, even if it's one as nice as this.
Yes, the problem is the permance.
Try finding a non-tattoo'ed model in, say, Seattle. A female one, I mean, it seems the gender thing has changed.
Even though the tattoo is pretty and the model beautiful, I too am bothered by the permanance of tattoos.
Another bug however, one of my pet peeves is the marks from her clothes still showing in her skin. A Beautifully posed and lit image like this is ruined by little details like that. Would it hurt that much to have her get into a soft robe for half and hour before the shooting starts?
IanS
Some people might like that, the idea that she's only just got undressed. Makes it more spontaneous, less a set piece.
Yes, I am one of those "some people".
Jimbo said...
"I like the idea of non-permanent bodypainting rather than permanent tattoo. Any image I chose i'd get bored of eventually, even if it's one as nice as this."
Something that we both agree on. Nice. :-)
Now this is genuinely tasteful.
Though I can understand Jimbo's position! :-)
Ray,
Why not do both?
"She's not made of sugar, you know."
Oh, how I find it sad to make beautiful art out of chocolate, so easy to shape but so intrinsically ephemeral!
I'm always torn between the urge to bite in it, the desire to keep it beautiful, and the knowledge that even if I don't touch it, it will soon spoil anyway. Ah, Tantalus, thy torture is mightieth indeed!
Eo, I suppose by "brass cojones" you meant for the woman getting this done on herself.
Yeah, she's no girlie wuss, that's for sure.
But still, I wouldn't swear that she's Yakuza, like a real-life Elektra.
The tatto's not graphically violent enough for a Yakuza. :-)
TC,
Good idea. Paint is neither pain(t)ful nor permanent. Lets you decide on a calm mind whether you want to stay that way and endure for it.
And as for "the excuse"... woman, I like the way you think! :-)
Anonymous preached...
"what would Jesus say about that tc?"
LOL! Good one!
Wait-wait-wait, I have a better one:
"What would Jesus say about gynaecologists?" :-D
That's odd, I don't recall the four Gospels saying anything about a negative attitude towards nudity OR sexuality, coming from Jesus of Nazareth himself.
He barely gave a criticism in private to an adulterous woman. That's not frowning on sex itself, but on misuse of it; perhaps she was even married, or did it with a married man. There were no clear details, apart that she should "sin no more".
Heck, maybe what he meant to these guys about "being without fault" was that she might have been a hooker, but many of them hypocrites had been her clients! Quite possible...
And, he himself WAS baptised naked. Not to mention his execution. Nobody ever said anything about him being granted a loincloth.
Would've gone against the humiliating intention of the execution, starting with its very nature. Crucifixion was a most demeaning form of execution. This is why, that day, he was in the company of two common thieves.
Your suspicion is right, Eolake. I'll be e-mailing you a few proofs of very official (and classic) religious nudity art.
Stuff I'd be better advised not to post on my own Lebanon-based blog!!!
BaronessBlack added...
"Nor, come to think of it, what religion they were!"
Tell me the truth, Baroness: you're not really an evil Kobra operative, now, are you? ;-)
Well spotted, BTW. See the Cananean woman's episode: [Matthew 15: 21-28]
Which happened in my very own country! (proud)
Or the centurion: [Matthew 8: 5-13]
"Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."
Anon 2 suggested...
"There's no way to know but based on what as a Jew he would have been required to believe his view of sexuality would be appalling to most people today."
What about what the OFFICIAL texts from the Church reveal to us about how laid back and understanding he was in so many matters?
Becides, I believe the guy was executed precisely for breaking a jewish tradition too many. Like Saturday work. Washing hands. All those episodes where "the Pharisians came unto him with embarrassing trick questions"...
Ooh yes, I'm convinced I know quite enough about the mentality of Jesus.
More than the Church(es) would like me to...
TC,
If you're really interested in body painting, just inquire about naturist gatherings near where you live. They often have bodypainting artists there, and some very talented ones at that.
Some could easily paint you to look like you're actually clothed. :-)
But as for "sensual experience"... I just hope you're not too ticklish under a paintbrush!
Ian S frowned...
"one of my pet peeves is the marks from her clothes still showing in her skin."
I second that!
One of the Domai newsletters told about a woman who had a nude portrait of her done for her husband. Or maybe a photoshoot.
The photographer instructed her to be all groomed and ready previously to their meeting time, and to be wearing nothing but a loosely tied bathrobe (nightgown?) for at least the last 15 minutes, so all clothes marks would have gone before the shooting started.
Anon 3 visualised with a dreamy smile...
"Some people might like that, the idea that she's only just got undressed."
For erotica, sure.
For art/beauty images, less so.
Depends on your perspective...
I think in the present case the marks on the woman's bottocks are not from her clothes, but just from previously sitting on fabric folds (naybe those of her loose robe). Notice, no panties marks at the waist, no bra marks above either.
She's "simply naked" enough for me. :-)
The only mark I see is from a bra, on the left flank just under the big shadow. It would easily have been removed in Photoshop.
That's odd, I don't recall the four Gospels saying anything about a negative attitude towards nudity OR sexuality, coming from Jesus of Nazareth himself.Jesus said that if you were married and you just looked at another woman you had committed adultery in your heart. And, get this, the thought is considered as bad as the deed (basically meaning that if you think about doing something sinful, you might as well do it). Sounds crazy, right? And, not the least laid back. I'm not sure if he cared if you were single or not, but knowing him it was probably still a bad idea.
Like, for instance: I'm sorry but...would this look very sexy showing through a sheer bodiced dress at, say, a formal wedding or...nice dinner party? Uh...I don't think so! The ones, particularly in the front and extremities, are not very tasteful, I don't think. :-( Each to his own, though, I guess.
Eolake said...
"The only mark I see is from a bra"
Most art is best viewed from a couple of paces away. Gives a good over all presentation of the piece.
TC said..
"would this look very sexy showing through a sheer bodiced dress"
The first impression of anyone that meets this woman. Will be that she lacks good judgement.
Try getting a position of responsibility in a business, meeting the teacher of your child or just meeting people at a party.
I see a lot of turtle neck sweaters in her future.
Joe
Pascal said...
"TC,
Good idea. Paint is neither pain(t)ful"
lol! Good one! :-)
"nor permanent. Lets you decide on a calm mind whether you want to stay that way and endure for it."
Right. No going back on that one! :-(
"And as for "the excuse"... woman, I like the way you think! :-)"
Thank you. Goes to prove that men are not the only ones who are...always *thinking*! lol! ;-)
and...
"TC,
If you're really interested in body painting, just inquire about naturist gatherings near where you live. They often have bodypainting artists there, and some very talented ones at that."
Great idea, Pascal! I'll put that on my *bucket list*...and hope to get up the nerve, someday! :-)
"Some could easily paint you to look like you're actually clothed. :-)"
Yes...that is actually what I like...like those of Jessica White (remember?). That was cool! :-)
"But as for "sensual experience"... I just hope you're not too ticklish under a paintbrush."
Right. I might have to work on my sensitivity threshold. :-)
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Joe said...
"I see a lot of turtle neck sweaters in her future."
lol! Actually sad but true! I wonder if she has discovered that, yet. The photographer was totally *digging* her look!
Yes, the Jessica White body paint was beautiful and sexy (well, the latter mostly due to Jessica herself, I'd guess).
Just a question.
If a female is wearing a swim suit. She is considered clothed.
If she is wearing thick body paint is she considered nude? They both seem to give about the same coverage.
Joe
Joe said...
"If a female is wearing a swim suit. She is considered clothed."
Yeah, Joe. I would say that is clothed...if all *private parts* are covered. :-)
"If she is wearing thick body paint is she considered nude? They both seem to give about the same coverage."
I would say not entirely. If a mini-bikini bottom could be used...for *the bottom* then I would consider that *adequate* to qualify for *proper* "coverage".
What do you think? :-)
"Jesus said that if you were married and you just looked at another woman you had committed adultery in your heart."
- Firstly, this says nothing about nudity, I insist on that point. The guy was himself baptised naked, in front of a broad public, and it wasn't the least bit an official jewish baptism ceremony, either. If that's not an exemplary case of innocent nudity, then I don't know what is...
- Secondly, he said "look at her with LUST". What he meant, is that if you have a sexual fantasy about a woman, it's the same as actual sex, MORALLY. In other words: it's the thought that counts, literally, and sin is in the intention.
- Tertio, you Western people keep forgetting how often IMAGES were used, with one expression actually meaning something that can't be said crudely. "Uncover someone's nudity" = euphemism for "fornicate". "Look at *** with lust" probably refers to the 9th Commandment, "decided intent of doing adultery".
- Fourthwise, the definition of "adultery" is VERY blurry and subjective. To some, it's merely when one of the persons involved is married, therefore committed to fidelity. To others, if you sleep with your fiancée half an hour before your wedding, you'll both burn in Hell for all eternity!!!!!! You heard that?!?
- What?
- YOU HEARD THAT?
- WHAT??!?- N°5, how many times did Jesus deliberately say one thing to actually get to the opposite conclusion? It's called sarcasm, guys and pharisees. If your son falls in the well on Saturday, do you wait til the next day to launch the rescue?
- Sixly, J. never actually said that HE viewed sex as foul, not even adultery itself in fact. Or did he? Got an explicit reference?
- Seven, case in point: "let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone". Translation: "everybody does it, and you all darn well know it, you lynchmobbing hypocrites!" Still a bloody relevant remark in our days of church pedophilia scandals, where it's not only about sex/adultery, but about RAPE. Talk about the mote and the beam...
[BTW, the "mote" was actually a straw, in the original texts. King James hadeth a very personal view of literary accuracy...]
My conclusion: if Jesus mentions so many instances of "technical adultery", such as marrying a divorcée, maybe he was subtly hinting to his highly uptight epoch that adultery isn't such a big deal after all, only betrayal of marital love is. And rape, of course.
Just another of my trademark dumb hypotheses...
Please forgive me if I have sinned with presumption there. ;-)
Besides, in any of the three Monotheisms, sex can only have been created by God. So how can it be intrinsically evil? Same for the human form, or even the contents of our bowels. Puh-leeze. It all depends on what you do with it, d'uh!
Any good Christian wanting to say one bad word about sexuality better remember how (s)he was born.
In fact, there too, same can be said about nudity, AND very often about the contents of our bowels. Check meconium on some search engine...
"but knowing him it was probably still a bad idea."
What, now you know a guy who lived 2000 years ago and whose message was interpreted and twisted by dubious interests for all that time? What are you, smarter than the Pope?
Granted, smarter than THIS Pope isn't much of a challenge. ):-P
Everybody who claims to understand religion is actually just viewing it, and its vastly open interpretation, through the prism of their own intrinsic views. Me, I'm being straightforward about it. Never claimed it WAS the truth, just said "this is how I view/understand it".
Some muslims insist that theirs is a religion of love and respect, and are sincere about it. Others, like Saint Osama, affirm that all it says, and with no ambiguity (liar!), is "go kill anyone remotely different".
I've read some of the Koran. Quite enough to testify that it's more than ambiguous: often downright contradictory! (Which itself is explained in the verse "what, is Allah not free to change His mind?".)
So, anybody using the Bible/Gospel as an alibi for "I know the One Truth" is one I call a blasphemating liar. For that's PROVEN to be a false assertion. Jeez, I'm SO weary about all those so-called "enlightened" argumentations everywhere I look around me. How about we have ourselves a nice holy war every time, and whoever is left standing gets to be right? :-P
BTW, "what would Jesus say" about tattoos? Are they kosher? Oy vey, what a headache!
"The first impression of anyone that meets this woman. Will be that she lacks good judgement."
Un-unh. That heart piece is very interesting anatomically, and rather wonderfully gothic.
"Good judgement" is literally as arbitrary as saying "I (don't) like it".
Just remember what were the social standards in a very recent past. When rock 'n' roll was assured to turn all our fine youths into foaming psycho killer rapists with poor dress sense. (Oh, the horror!)
"Goes to prove that men are not the only ones who are...always *thinking*!"
"Us men" are just more honest about it. ;-)
"I'll put that on my *bucket list*...and hope to get up the nerve, someday!"
"Bucket list"??? Never heard that one before.
Why "HOPE to get up the nerve"? If I had the abs I wish, instead of those I'm pretending not to not have, I wouldn't need any nerve.
I'm essentially shy about not looking good. I'm sure the Dickster will back me up on that one, that's what he always says about nudism. :-)
"I might have to work on my sensitivity threshold."
Here's my method: I play with the kids, and pretend I'm NOT ticklish. If I manage to convince them, then I'm homebound.
Or rather, beachbound for some good painting.
Still, tickling can ALSO be a very sensual experience. Anti-sadomaso can be quite enjoyable too...
To answer your question, TC, here's what I think:
How come at the beach, as long as the genitals are covered -with more than your hand- you're "clothed", and in other instances, being in your undies and socks is "undressed", and sometimes totally "shocking"?
Double standards from Society, methinks.
BTW, do they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts? I think they very officially do.
Amazing, how nudity is less problematic than undressing...
Eloke said in another blogg...
"For example, in Brazil, home of the micro-bikini, bathing nude is a serious crime. And OK, even in Denmark it's strictly speaking illegal to be naked in public, although the chances of being arrested are smaller than most places."
This was more along what I had in mind. Was curious if body paint was an acceptable covering?
Pascal.... "they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts?"
My experience is that most will just undress at the car. When the clothes come off there is a definite attitude change for the better.
TC said.... "If a mini-bikini bottom could be used...for *the bottom* then I would consider that *adequate* to qualify for *proper* "coverage"."
I agree and think it should be adequate. Not sure what the letter of the law would say.
Changing the way society thinks changes slowly, but it does change.
Joe
Pascal said...
"Sixly, J." and "hadeth" You CRACK me up! lol!
And..."meconium": please don't remind me of that first diaper change...even though it was probably the least of the grossness thereafter! lol!
""Us men" are just more honest about it. ;-)"
I'm betting that there are quite a few women out there that would be more than happy to talk w/you about it. You have probably just not discovered the right forum for that *outlet* yet. ;-)
""Bucket list"??? Never heard that one before."
The Bucket List, my dear. It's a sweet (and hilarious) movie about a couple of old geezers putting together a list of all the things they want to do before they die. Watch it; I bet you'll enjoy it! :-)
"Why "HOPE to get up the nerve"? If I had the abs I wish, instead of those I'm pretending not to not have, I wouldn't need any nerve.
I'm essentially shy about not looking good."
I know exactly what you mean. There are...um...*high standards* to be compared to, when you hang around here! lol! I *suffer* from same; hence..."the nerve". :-(
"Still, tickling can ALSO be a very sensual experience. Anti-sadomaso can be quite enjoyable too..."
OK...if you say so, Pascal! I'll take your word for it! lol! ;0)
"How come at the beach, as long as the genitals are covered -with more than your hand- you're "clothed", and in other instances, being in your undies and socks is "undressed", and sometimes totally "shocking"?"
Uh...how about looking at the possibility that: it is *inappropriate* for that particular venue or occasion; that it might look out of place/context.
Picture yourself standing at the alter...looking deeply into the eyes of the beloved woman, that you are about to be married to...while standing there looking so handsome...[screech!!] in your underwear and socks?! WTF?! ("I KNOW I told YOU to go pick that suit up from the tuxedo place!" Grrr!)
"Double standards from Society, methinks."
No...I don't think so. I think it's more about *peer pressure*...that pesky thing that creeps into our lives all too early and continues to grow as we age!
The *shock* value is just the person who *dares* to walk their own walk; talk their own talk and doesn't give a shit what others around them thinks or says. That would be a wonderful and healthy way to live but..."shocking" sometimes because it would be *outside of the norm* for whatever situation that issue has become "shocking". Methinks...anyway. :-)
"BTW, do they have (un)dressing cabins at nude resorts? I think they very officially do.
Amazing, how nudity is less problematic than undressing..."
And here, I am presuming...that you are presuming...that [un]dressing rooms are only for that specific purpose, when...perhaps, they are being used for *other things*. lol!
Joe said...
"My experience is that most will just undress at the car."
Wow, Joe; I'm impressed! I haven't even made it to a nude beach, yet; I'm still waiting to [along w/getting up the nerve! lol!] find someone to go to one with me! :-)
(I like your cute little plane, there, Joe. I'm glad you put her up, here. I've been wanting to ask you about her. Yet another thing I want to put on my *bucket list*: learn to fly a plane, someday. Cool! :-)
TC...
"I haven't even made it to a nude beach, yet; I'm still waiting to [along w/getting up the nerve! lol!] "
Add it to your bucket list and try it. The perfect look is a illusion.
We all fall short in one way or another.
"another thing I want to put on my *bucket list*: learn to fly a plane"
Big airplanes are good for transportation. A small plane is where the real flying is.
You are in control, a part of the machine not sitting enclosed in a big box just along for the ride.
You asked about the plane. The name is "the other woman" . My wife chose it because I spend more time with the plane than I do with her.
Joe
Hmmm... Come to think of it, if I expect the same comprehensiveness standards from others that I myself apply, there should be no problem. Nothing in this body that's more embarrassing without a swimsuit than with one. ;-)
But... human vanity. I'd still prefer to look -and BE- in better physical shape. Am making some effort...
"You have probably just not discovered the right forum for that *outlet* yet."
Not sure there are many forums for non-seedy discussions! Unless I'm ready to set fire to the haystack...
But yes, I really need to meet women with open minds and attitudes. (No, guys, not the way you've immediately started thinking! Shame on you! ;-)
"Picture yourself standing at the altar..."
Well, you know, there are naturist weddings, where everybody's nude, including the priest.
There are many christian naturist groups around the world.
"you are presuming...that [un]dressing rooms are only for that specific purpose"
Surely not! Remember, I'm a grown-up. ;-)
But they ALSO serve for the purpose mentioned in their name, apparently.
Maybe to help the shy newbies work up the nerve?...
"The name is "the other woman" . My wife chose it because I spend more time with the plane than I do with her."
Good one! :-)
Though I seem to remember somebody doing the same with his boat.
Are the two women refusing to meet and try to get along, Joe?
Grarrl!!! Juice out again! Aysha fee ma fee, ya man? Acara al-jaw! [It's lebanese talk. Really]
Second time since after midnight, now even in the wee hours one can't be safe.
Back tomorrow. (sigh) Looks like my ultra-big post on the Mexican flu will have to wait. Barely finished creating the main image for it, still half untranslated...
Joe said...
"Add it to your bucket list and try it. The perfect look is a illusion.
We all fall short in one way or another."
I'll do that and try to remember your advise. Thanks.
"Big airplanes are good for transportation."
Right.
"A small plane is where the real flying is.
You are in control, a part of the machine not sitting enclosed in a big box just along for the ride."
Yes. I've actually been in a small plane and gotten *the fever*! lol! I'm a little bit of an aircraft nut...although I haven't made much of an effort to learn the names of some of the ones that I like. :-)
Flying over the Canadian Rockies in a small plane was quite the blast that I won't forget anytime soon. And...I've been in a 'Blackhawk' helicopter while I was in the military and have flown over magnificent *turquoise-colored* glaciers, in Alaska. I was also in a helicopter on Kauaii, over the gorgeous waterfall used in 'Fantasy Island' as well as the island's many other beautiful surroundings.
I've driven military vehicles into military cargo planes and find it fascinating how the dang thing can even get off the ground w/all of that weight onboard! Those boys are HUGE!! And...you have no idea how many times I have kicked myself for not having chosen the Air Force! lol!
I loved watching the 'Blue Angels' (looks like you guys just had them, in NC, Joe.) *do their thing* in San Francisco and have been inside the 'Spruce Goose'.
I *crave* getting into a plane like wanting to drive a stick shift, again! lol!
I watched 'Breaking the Waves' just the other day and was pleasantly surprised to see one of those massive helicopters that [I believe] was mentioned, awhile back, which can hold quite a load of people. I still need to find out if it is the one and the same type of heli but...I loved it! (Does anyone know the name of this helicopter? I can't seem to find any info. on it.)
Anyhow, so, yes...I can completely understand the name that your wife gave your plane and your *love* for her. :-) I understand that they do take quite a bit of time and expense so...I don't much expect it to be something that happens anytime in my near future but...it'll still go on my *bucket list*. :-)
Pascal said...
"But... human vanity. I'd still prefer to look -and BE- in better physical shape."
Yes. Completely understand. :-)
"Am making some effort..."
Good for you...seriously! :-)
"Not sure there are many forums for non-seedy discussions!"
No idea.
"Unless I'm ready to set fire to the haystack..."
"But yes, I really need to meet women with open minds and attitudes."
Yes...that would be nice for you. :-)
(No, guys, not the way you've immediately started thinking! Shame on you! ;-)"
"Well, you know, there are naturist weddings, where everybody's nude, including the priest."
True. I was just thinking of a *conventional* setting for my example. :-)
"There are many christian naturist groups around the world."
Cool. :-)
"Surely not! Remember, I'm a grown-up. ;-)"
Yes, yes. I was just offering the suggestion, if you were merely just thinking of the [un]dressing usage. :-)
"But they ALSO serve for the purpose mentioned in their name, apparently."
"Maybe to help the shy newbies work up the nerve?..."
Probably. :-)
Sorry you lost power whilst posting here. Sounds like the more important post got put on the back burner, unexpectedly. Bummer. :-(
"I'm a little bit of an aircraft nut...although I haven't made much of an effort to learn the names of some of the ones that I like."
Maybe I crack you up, but really, I've seen tougher nuts to crack. You're still a loooong way from proper insanity, missie. Keep trying... ;-)
"And...you have no idea how many times I have kicked myself for not having chosen the Air Force!"
Me, now I'm too stiff to manage such a physical skill anymore. Kicking myself... I wish! (Not for the act itself, but for other, more enjoyable equivalents. Use your imagination...)
What the...?!? By Ali and Zulfiqar, power out again! At THIS time of the day? These terrorist pigs will pay! I shalt smite thee, infidels!
(sigh) That's all for today, Pasc-fans. Tune in tomorrow, same Pasc-time, same Pasc-channel.
In the meantime, there's plenty of new stuff to read on my blog, I've been at it all night and FINALLY posted that mega-article I was talking about.
Pasc-man, over and out. ):-(
I think I need a sidekick named Over. Yeah, that sounds nice: Pasc-man and Over.
TC..
"I'm essentially shy about not looking good"
I would bet that if you were in a group of ten people. You could look around and find at least one person who you would consider to be in poorer shape or less attractive than yourself.
So if you are not the best and not the worst then you are somewhere in the middle. That means you are just about average which is where most of fall.
Pascal..
"Are the two women refusing to meet and try to get along, Joe?"
They do talk and get along together. Even taken a few trips to the beach together. They are beginning to get comfortable with each other;)
By the way she is a Piper Tripacer.
TC..
"Flying over the Canadian Rockies in a small plane was quite the blast "
Flew up the Shenandoah Valley a couple of years ago. A breath taking view.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenandoah_Valley
Tattoo,body painting,flying a small airplane,trying a nudist experience and countless other things keep life fresh and enjoyable. Go have a good time.
Joe
This morning, I made up a new joke for my niece (she's nearing three), and she LOVED it, made her laugh heartily. Many times.
Talk about an adventure!
Okay, not really an adventure, but it WAS a very good time. A great way to start the day.
Maybe those who seek extreme adventure and constant thrills are frustrated because they can't manage to find fun in everyday moments, and happiness in simple things?
Just a thought...
Yeah, I think I'd like a tattoo.
I also think I don't *need* one to feel good about myself. So, really, I don't know if some day...
Probably not one as big as this one, though. But one as artistic? Would be worth it.
Nobody can laugh like a little girl, it's great. They have such delight in things around them.
Pascal..
"Yeah, I think I'd like a tattoo."
TC..
I would, personally, like the idea of having ...paint... on my back "
Found some examples of tattoos and body painting. A few seem to pass as clothing.
http://www.upi.com/topic/body_art/12/
Joe
Joe said...
"Found some examples of tattoos and body painting. A few seem to pass as clothing."
Been meaning to tell you "thanks," Joe. I was particularly *diggin'* the *badge* on the first one! lol! I had seen the one w/the chick in *shorts* the other night. Thought I recognized the link. Wonder why I didn't see the rest of them, that night. Hm. The orange one isn't very great coverage. Kind of sucks, actually.
I think I'll stick w/Jessica White's *2-piece bikini* idea. :-) I might look a little out of place walking on the beach w/some of these! lol! Would hate to get so *dressed up* just to go to the beach! ;-) I like the fairy one. Very vibrant colors. Cool. :-)
TC
"I like your cute little plane, there, ...been wanting to ask you about her."
She is a Piper PA-22 Tripacer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-20_Pacer
"Would hate to get so *dressed up* just to go to the beach! ;-)"
If you get so *dressed up* for the beach you will have tan lines. That would ruin the idea of a good even tan ;-)
All you really need is a large brim hat and sunglasses.
Joe
Hey Joe...
Just took my first flight lesson...to celebrate becoming an American Citizen, today!! What a BLAST!! I can't seem to wipe the GRIN off my face! It had been WAY too LONG!! :-)
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